WEBVTT 00:03.051 --> 00:05.560 So everybody, welcome to today's. 00:06.792 --> 00:09.913 meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. 00:10.253 --> 00:22.555 We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Cooey, wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker, who's joining us today. 00:22.615 --> 00:28.616 We're going to have five minutes from Craig Partycooper, who's presented to us twice before. 00:29.916 --> 00:33.417 This group was founded over three years ago by Stephen Frost. 00:33.477 --> 00:34.317 I'm Charles Cobis. 00:34.357 --> 00:35.417 I'll do a shortened 00:36.425 --> 00:38.367 I'll do a shortened invitation today. 00:38.387 --> 00:43.452 We comprise lots of professions here, and we're from all around the world. 00:43.852 --> 00:49.738 We recognize that we're in World War III, and that we're partway through World War III. 00:50.999 --> 00:55.103 This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. 00:55.163 --> 01:00.828 We reject the offense industry, and we reject the triggering industry. 01:01.914 --> 01:05.055 If you're offended by anything, be offended. 01:05.656 --> 01:07.256 We are lovingly not interested. 01:07.336 --> 01:10.257 We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear. 01:11.038 --> 01:12.278 Fear is the opposite of love. 01:12.558 --> 01:14.439 Fear squashes you and enslaves you. 01:14.519 --> 01:18.621 Love, on the other hand, expands you and liberates you. 01:19.975 --> 01:21.656 So, thank you for being here. 01:21.696 --> 01:24.598 The meeting is recorded, is uploaded onto the Rumble channel. 01:25.378 --> 01:30.941 And before I introduce Jay Cooey, Craig Patacoupa, the next five minutes is yours. 01:31.001 --> 01:33.242 We are all ears. 01:33.322 --> 01:34.843 And Craig, we can see your screen. 01:34.983 --> 01:35.343 Okay. 01:37.585 --> 01:38.065 Can anyone? 01:39.346 --> 01:40.126 Lovely, great. 01:40.606 --> 01:43.368 Okay, so the headline is, and 01:45.736 --> 01:51.017 I'm not sure how you're going to take this, but I'm just going to tell you the facts without trying to interpret them. 01:52.658 --> 02:02.200 A message has been found in the X logo for the X platform, and it is of significant meaning to everyone. 02:03.661 --> 02:13.303 The logo was made public initially in August 2023 on the X platform, when Elon took over from Twitter. 02:14.586 --> 02:26.376 People have noticed that there appears to be a scratch on the logo, which was a bit odd, but no one actually zoomed in and actually saw what was embedded in the message. 02:26.936 --> 02:33.142 So here is the message, here is the actual logo, which has been present on all phones since 2023 August. 02:37.697 --> 02:41.498 When you zoom in, you can see that the scratch isn't a scratch. 02:41.758 --> 02:46.119 It has letters and numbers, which comprise a message. 02:46.699 --> 02:51.600 Initially, I didn't know what language it was in, but it's now been completely deciphered. 02:52.621 --> 03:02.783 The actual line of message points to an image above the X, which I'll show you briefly what that is. 03:05.487 --> 03:09.948 So, the central scratch is not a scratch, it's a message. 03:10.988 --> 03:13.669 It consists of letters and numbers, it's been deciphered. 03:19.751 --> 03:32.254 When I deciphered it, it consisted of two parts, it consisted of a sequence that repeated three times, consisting of three letters each time, and it reads, 03:33.516 --> 03:37.277 Now, this is going to sound corny, but I'm just going to say what the facts are. 03:37.857 --> 03:51.742 It reads... Hang on, Craig. 03:52.002 --> 03:53.903 This is... Hang on, Craig. 03:53.923 --> 03:58.104 We got to, it reads, and then you got stopped. 03:59.925 --> 04:00.365 Start again. 04:00.445 --> 04:01.285 It reads... Okay. 04:01.686 --> 04:02.226 It reads... 04:06.622 --> 04:10.305 666 in letters, not in numbers. 04:10.745 --> 04:18.070 So you've got S-I-X, S-I-X, and S-I-X. 04:18.450 --> 04:26.536 I've put a full document of this on my website, howbad.info, under the section COVID and Cult. 04:27.096 --> 04:33.201 So people can look at it in detail and get zooming in on high-resolution images to see this. 04:35.191 --> 04:49.085 And in between is an image that I can interpret this in detail in the files that I've provided. 04:49.105 --> 04:55.111 This is the image that I was referring to between the sixes. 04:55.151 --> 04:58.895 This is the only other thing in the message other than the sixes. 05:00.327 --> 05:05.250 It consists of a person in a walking position with wearing shoes. 05:05.911 --> 05:12.575 It's an upright walking position, but it has the head of a beast, a devil. 05:14.817 --> 05:21.581 And it goes by a name beginning with two letters, E-L, followed by two spaces. 05:22.042 --> 05:25.224 So it's a four-letter name beginning with E-L. 05:30.003 --> 05:35.791 Now, concerning the image above the X, which is on everyone's phone, this is it. 05:37.213 --> 05:45.704 And initially, I wasn't sure what it was, but then when we used high resolution, we can see 05:46.946 --> 06:04.696 This is, it's a person, their head is at an angle of 20 degrees to their right, they're holding a sword of some kind in their right hand, and on their left shoulder they have chevrons, which is a military insignia, so this is a commander of some kind. 06:07.078 --> 06:14.362 You can see its eyes here and here, its nose, its mouth, 06:15.632 --> 06:19.755 And there's a symmetry at 20 degrees to the vertical. 06:20.216 --> 06:23.718 And you can see one of its ears here, which looks quite pointed. 06:25.720 --> 06:31.224 Now, as bizarre as all this sounds, like a fairy tale, it's actually what's on everyone's phone. 06:32.025 --> 06:38.269 And the interpretation is, the X, my interpretation now, is this. 06:39.212 --> 06:50.099 The X has always been a symbol for Christ, and when you have a vertical line through the X, that's the Iota Chi, which is the symbol for Jesus Christ. 06:50.199 --> 06:52.801 It's a traditional Christian symbol. 06:54.042 --> 07:01.967 Here instead, it's the line going through it with the message 666 and that strange walking beast. 07:03.578 --> 07:28.181 pointing to what looks like a kind of a devil at the top, to me it looks like the symbol for the Antichrist, because we have, instead of Jesus, it's relevant to what's going to be happening in America over the next few months, which is that they're having an election. 07:29.226 --> 07:37.488 People are taking part in that election, and it's up to people to decide whether they want to take this information into account, that's all. 07:38.528 --> 07:44.890 And this information isn't provided by anyone except the person who is taking part in the election. 07:45.570 --> 07:51.831 So it's not provided by me, it's not provided by an opposition to them, it's provided by them themselves. 07:52.631 --> 07:54.372 They're declaring who they are here. 07:55.663 --> 08:04.268 I'm just saying this is relevant and it's going to affect the history of America and also of the globe in the coming months. 08:05.028 --> 08:06.349 So, I've said that. 08:06.429 --> 08:07.510 That's my newsflash. 08:08.110 --> 08:10.672 At the bottom of the 08:13.160 --> 08:18.642 I've provided links, so here you have, you can find this information under COVID and Colt. 08:19.042 --> 08:25.663 I've created a document that's about 40 pages where I go into detail in analyzing the image. 08:26.244 --> 08:29.064 I have like a video and a document. 08:29.224 --> 08:33.486 So the video's on BitChute and the document is here. 08:34.406 --> 08:41.788 And I'll invite everybody to at least take this into consideration regarding a self-declared identity 08:42.717 --> 08:45.499 of the person who actually created this image. 08:46.239 --> 08:50.121 So people should take it into consideration. 08:50.482 --> 08:53.183 So therefore, whatever they decide, they decide. 08:55.384 --> 08:56.205 Well done, Craig. 08:56.245 --> 08:58.206 Thank you for all those links. 08:58.246 --> 09:00.667 You've put those links into the chat, have you, Craig? 09:00.687 --> 09:09.813 Okay, I'm going to go back to… 09:14.700 --> 09:18.923 Just copy and paste while Jay starts. 09:19.283 --> 09:21.425 Just copy and paste that into the chat, Craig. 09:23.786 --> 09:25.227 Make it easy for people to access. 09:32.812 --> 09:33.473 And he's frozen. 09:34.594 --> 09:35.194 Yes, he is. 09:37.295 --> 09:39.437 All right, so we've got those links. 09:39.497 --> 09:40.598 I can put them into the chat. 09:42.009 --> 09:43.010 and we'll get Craig. 09:43.050 --> 09:44.671 Thank you for that. 09:44.711 --> 09:52.875 If you can hear us, that is a newsflash and Craig will present more. 09:52.895 --> 09:58.138 He will discuss with Stephen and I will stop his sharing there and 10:04.409 --> 10:09.071 Jonathan J. Cooey. 10:09.091 --> 10:15.253 I'm delighted to have you again to talk about the Human Genome Project. 10:16.213 --> 10:18.974 Jay's bio is on the show notes. 10:18.994 --> 10:22.676 For those of you who don't know who he is, he is a researcher and 10:24.972 --> 10:28.056 Wonderful presenter, wonderful investigator. 10:28.236 --> 10:30.879 And we thank you so much again, Jay, for joining us. 10:30.939 --> 10:39.889 And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating this group and giving us an opportunity to speak the truth to each other. 10:40.850 --> 10:41.972 Jay, over to you. 10:42.072 --> 10:43.273 You can share your screen. 10:43.754 --> 10:44.955 And you're the man. 10:47.388 --> 10:49.931 Thank you very much again for the opportunity to speak. 10:51.072 --> 10:53.114 I'm going to put myself over on the other side. 10:53.174 --> 10:56.958 If you can't see this as one screen, you just have to change your view to speaker view. 10:59.269 --> 11:04.452 So I want to take a look at this book which is called What is Life, Mind and Matter. 11:04.512 --> 11:05.853 I put a link in the chat. 11:06.013 --> 11:12.218 It's a link on my website where if you go to that link you can see these PDFs that are downloadable and one of them is this book. 11:12.818 --> 11:19.563 You can also find this book on the Internet Archive and if you just search for Erwin Schrodinger and What is Life, there are probably 11:20.263 --> 11:28.513 Many places where you can find the PDF of it some of the PDFs have this cover some of the PDFs have a little chicken on the front There's a Cambridge version. 11:28.553 --> 11:30.455 There's a there's another well. 11:30.475 --> 11:31.837 This one's also a Cambridge version. 11:31.857 --> 11:37.703 Maybe there's multiple ones anyway, I think that the reason why this book is so interesting is because it 11:38.944 --> 12:02.054 It has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new Biology 101 for freshman students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody uses at universities in America, and with the help of my friend Mark Kulak and other people like Peter Hotez and others, 12:02.834 --> 12:15.260 It has become very clear to me that there is a long mentor chain of thoughtfulness with regard to answering some very crucial questions about what we can and can't understand about ourselves. 12:18.822 --> 12:20.683 Sorry, I thought my dog was going to come in here. 12:23.996 --> 12:26.439 It's become sort of my life now. 12:27.100 --> 12:39.097 It was COVID, but COVID has kind of passed for me because I understand it in a larger context now, and how, more importantly, after repeating over and over again for you and for many other people, 12:39.824 --> 12:47.371 that we actually inherited these charlatans from our parents, that I realized that I needed to explore the consequences of that idea. 12:47.992 --> 12:59.503 And the consequences of that idea, of course, are having to go back to those times and those books and actually read them to see how it is that we got to the point where we are, where people are very 13:00.604 --> 13:02.727 somehow able to go in front of a stage. 13:02.747 --> 13:05.932 I think the best example that I have, I'm just going to take a cut right here. 13:05.952 --> 13:09.658 I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this notes here. 13:09.678 --> 13:11.200 I'm going to drop this in the chat. 13:12.362 --> 13:15.506 It is a YouTube video that I would like to assign to you as homework. 13:16.728 --> 13:19.070 It is Adam Rutherford. 13:19.530 --> 13:24.935 He is like a kind of used to be an academic scientist, but then became a science communicator. 13:25.636 --> 13:32.863 And at the start of the pandemic, he was very, very involved in this debate about whether it was a lab leak or whether a lab leak was ridiculous. 13:34.184 --> 13:53.918 Or or a bridge too far because there was enough nastiness and mother nature to explain everything so the reason why I think that video is important is because in the first 30 minutes of that video you basically have a person teaching the central dogma of biology and teaching all of the 13:56.587 --> 14:15.923 teaching through all of the major, let's say, greatest hits, little milestones in ideology, the bricks of the ideology, that once you accept those, then you can go on into the university system, or on to PubMed, or on to any of these primary literature sources, and have the right 14:16.543 --> 14:26.772 foundation of ideas in order to understand what all these people are talking about, and also to understand the context in which all of their terminology and all of their concepts fit. 14:27.553 --> 14:32.478 And what's extraordinary is that I, as a professional biologist, was in that 14:34.514 --> 14:38.899 well within this structure of ideas for a very, very long time. 14:39.059 --> 14:54.276 At some point, I think if I would have been in a bar or in a situation where somebody challenged me on the primacy of the idea of evolution and the primacy of the idea that the brain evolved from 14:54.816 --> 15:11.001 you know, previous forms or whatever, and to defend that idea, I would have been there all night, and I would have never fallen asleep, and I would have had all kinds of answers for everything, all the time, ultra confident that a few basic principles 15:12.302 --> 15:27.976 were sufficient for me to model in my mind how it is that a lightning bolt could hit a mud puddle and just the right combination could happen, and then now you have this spontaneous process that billions of years later results in me going to the prom and crying afterward. 15:28.437 --> 15:29.277 And for me, that's 15:29.938 --> 15:32.602 That's where the rubber doesn't meet the road anymore. 15:32.662 --> 15:44.277 For me, as a child and as a biologist, when I was a kid, there was no question in my mind that what I was looking at and appreciating was beyond a simple explanation. 15:44.317 --> 15:45.779 And yet, as an adult, 15:46.460 --> 15:53.403 I started to realize that that kid was really not present when I was working at the university. 15:53.463 --> 16:12.432 That kid was constantly being told to shut up when it came to formulating my grant questions or teaching people what it was that I was trying to address as a concept with my experiments, because reductionist biology necessarily requires you to only pick a few knobs and then 16:13.132 --> 16:33.573 ten that okay if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one then I get one result and if I turn knob number one with knob number two I get another result and then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet and the art of being a ten-year professor is being able to 16:34.534 --> 16:44.902 at the same time as you justify how important the knobs are that you're turning, also very humbly admit that you don't know what any of the other knobs do and you're sure that they do things important too. 16:45.423 --> 17:02.236 And so as long as you play that game, you can become an academic biologist without ever questioning the main bricks on which all of this investigation lies and on which all the premise on which your expertise is based. 17:02.316 --> 17:02.496 And it 17:03.997 --> 17:17.066 Over these last five years, for me personally, the most humbling thing about it has been to realize how awfully wrong I was about so many things that I thought I understood, and also what's been very 17:18.775 --> 17:26.619 humbling to me is how easily that can be rearranged once you realize what bricks are there and who put them there and how they got there. 17:26.659 --> 17:30.961 And you can feel good about it because you realize that it wasn't your fault. 17:31.021 --> 17:35.023 It wasn't just because a couple people got it wrong in your particular biology class. 17:35.483 --> 17:39.105 It's because there has been this trend, a wave of knowledge, a wave of 17:40.769 --> 18:00.262 of what I guess I would call implied knowledge or assumed knowledge, which all traces itself back to this wonderful time when we were into, um, nuclear bombs and radiation and at the cusp of thinking that we were about to make major breakthroughs in our understanding of biology. 18:00.282 --> 18:02.483 And so that's why this book is so interesting. 18:02.523 --> 18:03.203 This is the book. 18:04.184 --> 18:05.785 Um, do I have to scroll up to the top? 18:05.825 --> 18:07.026 Maybe, uh, let's see. 18:08.717 --> 18:09.718 So I got this guy here. 18:09.738 --> 18:11.038 I'll just scroll to the top. 18:11.078 --> 18:13.400 This is What is Life by Erwin Schrodinger. 18:13.420 --> 18:17.602 I think this is the one with the chicken on the front, isn't it? 18:17.682 --> 18:21.384 Yeah, this is the one you can download from the archive. 18:22.344 --> 18:27.727 And so if we go to the first chapter, I just got a few things I want to highlight here because I just want to make some big points, okay? 18:30.231 --> 18:31.473 And it's a really important book. 18:31.513 --> 18:37.118 You can find so many people who will highlight it as a seminal book in their reading. 18:38.100 --> 18:52.575 And before I get started with highlighting a couple of things in the first 20 pages of this book, let me just help you to do a thought exercise to try and put you in the right space of exploration in terms of what might be going on with you and what I think happened to me. 18:53.896 --> 19:14.591 I want you to imagine a scenario where you grow up and all the teachers and all of the adults that are around you believe that they need to feed the right birds and attract the right birds to the backyard in order for all of the best outcomes to happen at work and for all of the best things to happen in their lives and for people not to get sick. 19:15.151 --> 19:28.838 And there are people who are experts on birds and can tell you what things you have to put in your backyard to attract which birds and which birds you want to attract when you have a certain sickness, and which birds will come and announce that the sicknesses are coming and all this stuff. 19:28.858 --> 19:38.043 And you can imagine very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued. 19:39.623 --> 19:45.465 as birds being an intimate connection to nature and to our health and to our understanding of our biology. 19:45.485 --> 20:07.250 And with a crafty set of liars, you could get that to work, you could get that to go, even if at the beginning everything was really well-meant and it seemed to really work, that if you attract cardinals, then generally speaking, families are healthier than people that have crows in their backyard, whatever the anecdotal observations that get misconstrued as understanding are. 20:08.092 --> 20:15.674 but then understand that at the beginning of this revolution, we were being propelled forward. 20:15.754 --> 20:18.234 Our greatest thinkers were chemists and physicists. 20:19.015 --> 20:28.817 And so this guy acknowledges that and sort of, without even really knowing it, exposes the problem that's going on here. 20:28.877 --> 20:32.358 And one of the terms that comes from this book is aperiodic crystal. 20:33.507 --> 20:48.739 So he makes the argument that chemists and physicists are always studying periodic crystals, and what occurs in biology is an aperiodic crystal, because it changes over time, and it's a very consistent one-way pattern of change. 20:48.839 --> 21:02.591 You can expound on that all you want to, but the idea of an aperiodic crystal influenced lots of people afterward, lots of people grabbed onto that, and that's actually maybe where this term gene originates, or thinking about genes originates. 21:03.271 --> 21:16.403 So if I scroll down a little bit through this thing, one of the first things that comes up here, I'm going to make myself smaller, is that the reason that this book needs to be written, and he's of course a mathematician, 21:20.346 --> 21:26.011 And so the scary part would be, of course, or the assumption would be that he's going to use math to explain biology. 21:26.472 --> 21:30.435 But the reason for this was not that he's not going to use math. 21:30.576 --> 21:31.416 That's what he says here. 21:31.456 --> 21:33.278 It's not going to be hardly utilized at all. 21:33.298 --> 21:34.099 And why is that? 21:34.159 --> 21:38.723 Well, it's because this subject cannot be explained with mathematics. 21:38.783 --> 21:41.365 It's not fully accessible to mathematics. 21:42.326 --> 21:45.049 And yet, at the same time in this book, 21:45.984 --> 21:56.900 The question that they want to answer is, how can the events in space-time, which take place within the spatial boundaries of a living organism, be accounted for by physics and chemistry alone? 21:56.960 --> 21:57.641 Because that is 21:59.511 --> 22:00.212 at the heart of it. 22:00.412 --> 22:09.399 And this is something that needs to be very clear in everybody's head as a starting biologist, or a restarting biologist, or a recovering biologist. 22:09.839 --> 22:20.668 You have to see that an organism is something that moves through space, it's a pattern integrity that remains integrism to and through time. 22:21.389 --> 22:28.715 And it's that developmental time course from a child to an adult, to an older adult, to an elderly person, that is a single course 22:29.870 --> 22:45.166 irreversible, and it is in these people's minds, in these chemists' and physicists' minds that are starting to, let's say, cross over into a biology and apply their understanding of the world to biology 22:45.686 --> 22:51.210 because they are the curators of the laws of physics and the laws of chemistry. 22:51.250 --> 23:00.698 So if life is governed by these laws, then who better to convert to biology when biology is ready to accept that determinist outlook? 23:01.638 --> 23:17.033 And so this is where most of the thinking about genes and the primacy of DNA comes from, because these chemists and physicists were looking for a chemical and physical explanation for the pattern of life. 23:18.675 --> 23:24.238 And so if we scroll one page after this, this is page four at the top here, this is the assumption. 23:24.298 --> 23:29.722 So the preliminary answer which this little book will endeavor to expound and establish can be summarized as follows. 23:30.462 --> 23:41.849 The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences. 23:42.765 --> 23:54.453 So just because we don't have the microscopes, just because we don't have the fine instruments, doesn't mean that when we do, we won't be able to just account for everything by physics and chemistry. 23:55.674 --> 23:59.657 And so it is very important to understand that that premise 24:01.263 --> 24:12.075 That premise is central to Biology 101 at every university in the Western world, and it is absolutely central to the idea that the Human Genome Project accomplished anything at all. 24:15.253 --> 24:19.599 because the concept is very different than what it actually is. 24:19.759 --> 24:31.916 This is written at a time when they're getting excited about the possibility of identifying this chemistry, and the identification of this chemistry was immediately taken as proof that this was true. 24:33.516 --> 24:45.266 And so we still can't look inside of a cell and see the actual status of the DNA molecule, which parts of it are exposed, which parts are wrapped up, which ones are being translated or not. 24:45.406 --> 24:52.833 All of those things are done using physics and chemistry means by which you take something that is very tiny, 24:53.875 --> 25:02.940 then you attempt to make lots of it so that the presence of lots of it is interpretable at a single size level. 25:03.020 --> 25:05.881 And that's what's so beautiful about the beginning of this book. 25:06.622 --> 25:15.827 The beginning of this book explains the rationale upon which this bridge can be made, where you just say, well, if you put the right chemicals, 25:16.693 --> 25:22.601 in the right little sack and then just let them go, then billions of years later you'll have us. 25:23.422 --> 25:30.312 And it only requires that you accept that there's no reason for doubting that just because we can't explain it now. 25:31.795 --> 25:59.355 And so the finding of DNA, and since they found it, it has been physicists and chemists that have been used, or abused, or willingly taken biology into this direction where all of the irreducible complexity, all of what was sacred, all of what was assumed to be creation, can now be assumed to be the consequence of physical and chemical laws that we are just not yet able to quantify or measure. 26:00.393 --> 26:09.835 And that's an extraordinary place to be, of course, because what's really interesting, and I'm just taking you, this is completely improv. 26:09.915 --> 26:14.095 I have a list of a couple things that I wanna talk to you about, and the rest I just wanna share things to read. 26:14.275 --> 26:27.018 Also on that list of GigaOM Biological slash stuff is this book, which is, I guess you can't see that, maybe I can do this, is The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard de Chardin. 26:27.058 --> 26:28.678 He is a Jesuit priest 26:29.318 --> 26:32.681 who in the 30s, I'm going to get his history wrong, but it doesn't really matter. 26:33.722 --> 26:39.548 In the 30s, he was actually kind of kicked out of the church or getting the Catholic church got angry at him. 26:40.109 --> 26:40.469 Why? 26:40.549 --> 26:44.613 Because he was really, really into that pith down man guy. 26:44.693 --> 26:50.258 I don't know if you remember this, but there was something in the 20s or the 30s or the 40s. 26:50.278 --> 26:51.820 You have to just look this up yourself. 26:51.880 --> 26:52.861 I can just do it right now. 26:54.482 --> 27:02.905 The Pithdown Man Summary is a fossilized remains that were discovered in 1912, and so he was around then. 27:03.906 --> 27:10.548 But it was in the 30s that he wrote a lot of these books, including this one, which didn't get published until later with an introduction by Julian Huxley. 27:11.328 --> 27:12.609 And this priest 27:13.840 --> 27:22.109 took the pith down man and ran with it, and said that that meant Darwin was right, and that meant that we were descended from animals, and the church didn't like that. 27:22.209 --> 27:24.792 But this guy was really like, oh, this solves the problem. 27:24.832 --> 27:30.298 Then the way that we were created was through evolution, and this idea of 27:30.939 --> 27:53.973 solving the problem of how did God make us by saying that God did evolution is actually something really interesting, because this same guy who did that for the Catholic Church and is cited by no less than Peter Hotez in an article in The Lancet in 2024 as being a seminal thinker in this public health space, this guy right here 27:55.040 --> 28:08.536 went for evolution fully, and also in this thing said that the shape of the planet being round meant that at some point the phenomenon of man, the species of man, would become one 28:10.640 --> 28:17.123 cognitive unit, a no-sphere, and that would be the way that we would move forward. 28:17.163 --> 28:28.688 I may have said this before, and if I have I apologize, but Julian Huxley characterized this idea as the equivalent of fish swimming in groups in the water, and men 28:29.608 --> 28:33.791 swimming in groups of conscious thought, not water, but conscious thought. 28:33.951 --> 28:51.743 And so the idea was that because the population would eventually come in contact with each other, he couldn't have seen the internet, or maybe he could have, I don't know, but that we would all become sort of one conscious sphere that would be governable and then steerable, and it was in our 28:53.043 --> 29:00.665 divine duty to take command of this, to take control of this, to steward the stewardship of it. 29:01.126 --> 29:10.448 And that's very similar to what a lot of eugenicists think, a lot of these biologists think, that we have to take charge of our evolution as a species. 29:10.488 --> 29:19.151 And of course, that also means, again, because if we go back to this book, if we are just the consequence of physics and chemistry, 29:19.631 --> 29:31.413 then our free will and our decisions and what individuals do is really not as important as what we do as a species and where we go into the future. 29:32.033 --> 29:40.015 And so if I use that as a branch, then let me see if I can quickly jump over here. 29:40.555 --> 29:47.516 So this is the paper that we're all talking about, the initial sequencing and analysis of the genome by the International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium. 29:48.616 --> 29:53.159 And this was published in Nature, I think, in 2001. 29:53.680 --> 29:58.723 And so I think it's just really telling to read the first part here. 29:59.684 --> 30:04.147 The rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of the 20th century. 30:04.247 --> 30:05.748 The opening weeks of the 20th century. 30:07.284 --> 30:19.287 which is actually around the same few years that we were talking about with regard to the Pithdown Man, and with regard to when this guy was starting to get in trouble with the Church because he was saying evolution. 30:19.767 --> 30:27.550 And so what we're seeing here is a very disingenuous misrepresentation even of what Mendel's Laws mean. 30:28.150 --> 30:31.251 And one of the many things that I wanted to cover 30:33.206 --> 30:37.970 I think everybody in this chat would have heard of the Habsburgs, for example. 30:38.510 --> 30:44.815 The Habsburgs, I think, were a very, very, very rich family in Europe for a very long time, but they were also incredibly inbred. 30:45.336 --> 30:53.082 And I don't think anybody in the historian sect would say that what resulted there was good. 30:53.322 --> 30:56.745 There were crazy people, there were sick people, there were sterile people. 30:57.545 --> 31:24.671 And if you looked at the family tree, that video that I gave you, that family tree is in there, and you can see that there's, like, aunts that are also grandmoms, and then there's also great-grandfathers that are also grandfathers, and it's super bizarre, because there's lots of people that are marrying within the family for a long time, and so that is genetically very bad, but it's interesting in that video, he jokes, because it's really good for geneticists. 31:25.751 --> 31:46.895 And actually, it's important to understand that this rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity, it's something that when it was taught to me when I was in high school, when it was retaught to me when I was in college, and when I taught students this as a college lab instructor or lab assistant, I taught the same illusion. 31:47.694 --> 31:54.196 And the illusion of this is that Mendel just got pea plants out and started breeding them together and it was all good. 31:54.656 --> 31:56.596 And that's an absolute lie. 31:56.736 --> 32:04.719 Mendel spent a long time breeding pea plants that started to show consistent traits. 32:07.839 --> 32:16.302 It's not that he just started with pea plants with wrinkles and pea plants without wrinkles and then did these studies and voila, I wrote the book. 32:17.339 --> 32:18.600 that's not how it worked. 32:19.500 --> 32:24.584 He first had to breed these plants long enough so that the traits were consistent. 32:25.404 --> 32:30.787 Then, when he bred them together, he could see these sorting ratios. 32:32.769 --> 32:40.914 Now, if you understand, then, that there are certain phenotypes, there are certain attributes that might, by coincidence, 32:42.034 --> 32:52.880 be sortable in that way, sort in that mathematically neat way if you create, let's say, clean enough genetic signals. 32:54.941 --> 33:04.106 And so in the case of the Habsburgs, there were probably several combinations of genes that would stand out as, wow, these are bad. 33:04.146 --> 33:09.729 And if we looked at other people who have these symptoms, it looks like that's a bad combination of genes. 33:11.027 --> 33:34.719 But understanding what those genes do in development that led to that, understanding the likelihood of that being a developmental process or a genetically predetermined process was still only correlation even in the greatest and most pure signals of Mendel or the most pure signals in our own genetic, let's say, catalog. 33:35.819 --> 33:38.101 And that's where the bamboozlement happened here. 33:38.161 --> 33:50.371 That's what I can speak to personally as a neurobiologist because when I got into neuroscience, everybody, everybody was hoping that they would get a chance to work on a knockout mouse that was interesting. 33:50.411 --> 33:51.492 And what is a knockout mouse? 33:51.512 --> 33:59.599 A knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly has a protein, a gene, at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out or a gene. 34:00.119 --> 34:04.683 And so you'd knock out a protein and if you got lucky enough and the mouse lived 34:06.673 --> 34:20.620 and could function, then chances are pretty good that you could go in and look for the physiological defect or the thing that was wrong, and then maybe it would give you some idea of what that protein did in the mice that have it. 34:22.461 --> 34:27.944 And because you're working on an inbred mouse line, the background noise is very low. 34:28.184 --> 34:30.785 The signal is very consistent across animals. 34:31.465 --> 34:37.308 And so if these genes are, these proteins are present or not present, it's very easy to screen for that. 34:37.868 --> 34:49.814 And that illusion is sustained across laboratories in America and in Europe where they use inbred mouse lines that by definition are very much like the peas of Mendel. 34:51.257 --> 35:05.384 But it is very clear from the Habsburgs family tree that if we tried to make an inbred strain of human, if we got anywhere near the homogeneity of mice, there would be no living humans anymore. 35:06.525 --> 35:13.929 And in that same video, Adam Rutherford actually says that humans are actually quite inbred. 35:15.063 --> 35:36.689 Which I find a really weird statement for him to make, because in this same video, this guy, this former scientist and now science communicator who was sure that it was a natural leak, that guy will tell you that the central dogma that DNA to RNA to protein is essentially how life works, and everything that's alive does that. 35:38.109 --> 35:43.951 And that cells are the smallest unit of life, and cells come from other cells, except 35:45.262 --> 35:46.303 at the origin of life. 35:47.964 --> 35:54.088 After the origin of life, there was always a cell, and then cells beget cells, and that's how we have all the cells that we have. 35:54.968 --> 36:10.738 And so really, it is no different than the idea that I've said multiple times to you about, in a much shorter timescale, the idea that... Let's see, is that one that one? 36:11.238 --> 36:14.180 The idea that... How did that work? 36:16.260 --> 36:24.927 The idea that something that's endemic is impossible to tell from something that was already in the background. 36:26.108 --> 36:36.037 And so what we have from an evolutionary perspective, from a genetic perspective, a snapshot of all the people on Earth, we don't actually have any data. 36:37.895 --> 36:43.240 This four-dimensional family tree or whatever that they propose is where we came from. 36:43.280 --> 36:58.013 We don't have any data from that except for the current hundred years of life that we've been able to catalog both molecularly and macroscopically, you know, whatever, what they look like and whatnot. 36:59.048 --> 37:02.030 So this implication, I can give you one example. 37:02.070 --> 37:04.731 This is just, again, endemicity versus background. 37:04.751 --> 37:06.892 You can't tell the difference because you don't have any data. 37:06.912 --> 37:14.077 We don't have any data from what animals were on the planet in 1600, and a good survey of them. 37:14.797 --> 37:26.824 We don't have a good survey from 4000 BC, and yet these biologists are talking about evolution on a much longer time scale with no data 37:28.357 --> 37:30.278 on any of those timescales. 37:30.578 --> 37:46.726 You just have to accept it, because they found DNA, and since DNA is the chemical and physical explanation for how life works, the code, then evolution is also real. 37:46.786 --> 37:57.471 So that video that I put in as homework is really important to listen to, because what that guy does in the first 25 minutes is give you a lecture about the basics 37:58.385 --> 38:10.396 of the central dogma and how all academic biologists and all thinking academic medical professionals think about the basis of all life on earth, what we share in common. 38:11.576 --> 38:39.533 And they also believe, for example, in this thing, and I know this is out of date now, but in 2003, there was a paper by the last name of Hillis, and they put together this plot where they put like 2,000 plus species on it, and they tried to make this tree where it starts with the most basic kinds of protists and then splits, and now you get all the rest of life, and here's where the bacteria are over here, 38:40.765 --> 38:50.875 here are the animals and we're over on this part if you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a PDF you can zoom in and see all the animals that they did and yet all we have is a snapshot 38:52.418 --> 39:11.874 Just like with this coronavirus or with this latest, there was a latest neuroscience paper, not neuroscience, nature paper that came out that showed that they went for some used AI to find all the RNA viruses in some sample and they found all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences. 39:12.314 --> 39:13.115 It's no different. 39:13.835 --> 39:26.783 If you just take a huge sample of all the animals on earth and you claim that they have to be arranged in some kind of descending order of complexity or where they came from, then you can make this tree and claim all you want. 39:27.523 --> 39:34.848 But the bottom line is that none of these animals are anything but contemporaries of the process that they claim they came from. 39:35.308 --> 39:38.050 And they have no evidence that that's the case. 39:39.571 --> 39:47.242 And it's extraordinary because, again, remember that all of these assumptions are wholly based, in my humble opinion, on these bricks. 39:48.023 --> 39:54.993 That these main foundational cornerstone bricks are that the DNA is the code for life, 39:56.952 --> 40:03.234 And therefore, it's just a matter of time before we are able to understand it, use it, manipulate it, improve it. 40:03.994 --> 40:05.595 And everything else is an assumption. 40:05.755 --> 40:07.456 All the spending is an assumption. 40:08.056 --> 40:09.997 All of the grant calls assume this. 40:10.437 --> 40:10.817 Everything. 40:10.997 --> 40:12.277 It's all based on this. 40:12.417 --> 40:25.462 And I even based my understanding of the brain and my organization of my thoughts on how to pursue a further understanding of the brain based on this idea that I had to think of neurons as expressing 40:26.062 --> 40:33.732 Jeans and jeans coming on and off and how even though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these. 40:34.352 --> 40:38.437 These wonderful cartoons and and all of these elaborate animations. 40:39.138 --> 40:44.064 And you in that same video that I assign you for homework he will at some point. 40:45.626 --> 41:07.477 he will show you a video that somebody made, a computer animation of DNA being copied and proofread, and in that entire model there's no water molecules, there's no other proteins and chaperones around, there's no bases anywhere, it's just, you know, making a nice little thing, but that model doesn't even 41:08.678 --> 41:31.710 understand or doesn't even attempt to show you what's really happening there, because of course it's happening in an aqueous solution, of course there are other proteins around, so why are we just looking at the DNA molecule coming apart like this and one little ball coming over to it and then it gets wrapped up and it becomes double-stranded again, it's all very beautiful and whatever, but we don't have cameras that can see that. 41:32.861 --> 41:38.665 We don't have electron microscopy flash by flash pictures of what's going on there. 41:38.705 --> 41:41.046 That's all imaginary stuff. 41:42.187 --> 41:54.295 And elaborate cartoons, no different than the cartoons of COVID, no different than even the image of COVID that they use from the very beginning with the red spikes and gray body. 41:56.757 --> 41:57.857 It's no different than this. 41:57.897 --> 42:00.039 You can draw this picture, it doesn't make it right. 42:02.136 --> 42:08.541 And you can publish the human genome and say that you did something, but it doesn't mean that you did. 42:08.641 --> 42:16.687 And so in this thing, they even admit it, that much work remains to be done to produce a complete finished sequence. 42:16.727 --> 42:23.572 And of course, now, 24 years later, there are lots of people who tell you that we've done it all, we know it all, we've done it all. 42:23.612 --> 42:27.015 But I just don't think that it's true. 42:27.095 --> 42:29.557 And this is the reason why, because I want to go back to 42:30.337 --> 42:34.559 Schrodinger because on page 21 and again, you got to read the whole book. 42:34.599 --> 42:40.022 The whole book is just mesmerizing It's gonna go a little bit farther here 42:42.717 --> 42:50.463 So the physical laws rest on atomic statistics and are therefore only approximate is one of the first things you really need to understand. 42:50.964 --> 43:01.452 And he gives you a couple really good examples of it, where essentially what he's saying is that everything that physicists and chemists think that they understand about molecules, 43:02.373 --> 43:09.217 is understood from the perspective of, if you have enough of these molecules, then the attributes of them start to become obvious. 43:09.718 --> 43:15.101 And without enough of them, the noise of the system is too great, you can't say anything about it. 43:15.261 --> 43:23.066 And so physics requires there to be enough particles around for them to see anything or do anything with them, and the number of 43:23.686 --> 43:30.731 particles that are involved increases our accuracy in terms of our ability to predict what the system will do. 43:30.751 --> 43:43.220 This thinking has been applied to the physics and chemistry of life, and these assumptions are how they purport to understand us. 43:44.200 --> 43:48.523 There's a couple different examples that he uses there. 43:50.973 --> 44:07.705 Maybe one good one to use would be this one here, where he's talking about how a tube full of oxygen can be, a voltage can be applied, and the way that that reacts to the voltage is different than what you might think, unless you're thinking of it as an average effect. 44:08.686 --> 44:15.171 There's also this discussion about diffusion and sinking fog, which is also very enlightening. 44:15.771 --> 44:26.523 But I just want to get past all this stuff, just to make sure that you understand that this whole book is really important to read, because it is a guy who sees the problem. 44:28.465 --> 44:31.489 And so in the second part, he's talking about the hereditary mechanism. 44:32.446 --> 44:33.406 and what the problem is. 44:33.446 --> 44:39.928 And he sees a very big problem, but a lot of the people who read this book don't seem to realize that he sees this problem. 44:40.548 --> 44:55.032 So the hereditary code script, chromosomes, let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern, meaning not only the structure and functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage, 44:56.403 --> 45:03.707 but the whole of its ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organism begins to reproduce itself. 45:04.267 --> 45:10.531 Now, this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure of that one cell, the fertilized egg. 45:11.111 --> 45:12.752 Known to be determined. 45:15.153 --> 45:23.237 If that's the case, we know it is essentially determined by the structure of only a small part of that cell, the nucleus, the DNA. 45:23.277 --> 45:23.758 That's it. 45:24.741 --> 45:25.001 Right? 45:25.081 --> 45:27.563 So what is he going to say down here then? 45:27.964 --> 45:29.004 And this is the trick. 45:30.165 --> 45:33.007 Every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code. 45:33.488 --> 45:39.593 So there are, as a rule, two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell, which forms the earliest stage of the future individual. 45:39.613 --> 45:52.783 And then we go down here and he says, you know, that it can be a black cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maize plant, a rhododendron, a beetle, a mouse, or a woman, to which we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar. 45:55.126 --> 46:07.474 And so even when they are not, as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles, the difference is not so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material, which in these cases is added for obvious reasons. 46:07.534 --> 46:10.596 But the term codescript, of course, is too narrow. 46:11.718 --> 46:17.380 The chromosome structures are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow. 46:17.981 --> 46:21.402 They are law, code, and executive power. 46:21.702 --> 46:28.605 Or, to use another simile, they are the architect's plan and the builder's craft in one. 46:29.827 --> 46:41.895 And so my argument will be that up until now, and including the present day, biologists are only able to scratch the surface of the part that encodes proteins. 46:41.975 --> 46:42.336 That's it. 46:43.522 --> 47:00.131 All the other stuff is just written away as repeats, or as useless code, or code that isn't needed, or code that isn't read, even though we know from this own physicist's opinion and from lots of other scholars to follow, 47:01.055 --> 47:17.865 that the main question of how does this all orchestrate together, you don't just make proteins and then because of the nature of their chemistry and physics, they just assemble into the things that they do and go where they're supposed to go and do what they're supposed to do and get replaced when needed. 47:20.287 --> 47:22.308 That is the builder's craft. 47:23.706 --> 47:31.210 And if this is going to be contained in this single code, then we're missing a whole large part of it. 47:31.290 --> 47:34.472 And biologists around the world have known this for a long time. 47:34.992 --> 47:39.195 And honestly, I feel very humbly I can say that I've known it for a long time, too. 47:39.215 --> 47:48.160 I've just never did realize that people were already codifying it so eloquently already back when this guy's book was written, because this is not part of Biology 101. 47:50.825 --> 47:59.190 Desjardins, you don't read Schrodinger, you don't read Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest, where they say exactly the same thing. 47:59.210 --> 48:11.557 The determinist aspect of our biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our evolution, because we are a phenomenon, we aren't individuals. 48:13.848 --> 48:17.872 This is the natural evolution of us as thinking individuals. 48:17.932 --> 48:26.541 That's what all these people want us to believe, and that's why I think it's really important to have a good sense of how to move forward. 48:26.581 --> 48:35.409 They have told us, for example, that there are diseases that are genetic, and they get them confused with infectious diseases because, again, they are taking and 48:37.111 --> 48:40.814 twisting our language around so that we can't use it effectively to fight out. 48:41.655 --> 49:03.935 And that's really important to see, that just like the pea plants with wrinkled or smooth seeds, you can find rare examples or exceptions to the rule where a single gene and its missing or its mutation can result in a phenotypic change that's sufficiently detectable so that you can point to it. 49:04.878 --> 49:31.733 But the flip side of this is oftentimes in neuroscience, you'll see this happen where a neuropsychiatric condition, actually, when you start to look at what they now call genome-wide association studies, where they take a bunch of people and classify them as all having the same set of symptoms, and then they look across their genomes for signals that they share, it's often a complete disaster and they find nothing. 49:32.782 --> 49:44.749 And so the idea that these physicists and chemists hoped would occur and manifest because of the discovery of DNA has failed miserably. 49:44.869 --> 49:50.652 And the start of that failure goes all the way back to the announcement of the completion of the Human Genome Project. 49:50.732 --> 50:01.698 And it is extraordinary because, again, in that we're going all the way back to 2001 and a Nature paper, and we are now supposed to believe 50:02.338 --> 50:17.290 that someone from the Whitehead Institute who worked for Eric Lander named Kevin McKernan is one of the guys who's put his life and career on the line to come and save us from the laboratory leak and from the DNA contamination in the transfection. 50:18.551 --> 50:20.113 And most of the basic 50:24.252 --> 50:32.197 methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world, all the sequencing technologies, all of this stuff, he was involved in it. 50:32.217 --> 50:40.702 And if you go down to the discussion here, I want you to point out that the idea of this actually started at the Department of Energy. 50:40.742 --> 50:43.704 And I don't know if anyone's aware that's not in the United States. 50:44.484 --> 50:47.786 The Department of Energy is the highest level of security. 50:47.826 --> 50:50.728 And in fact, this is a direct admission 50:51.348 --> 51:00.580 that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that DITRA comes from, that the State Department uses, and that all of the Manhattan Project used. 51:01.414 --> 51:15.527 And so in order to maintain that secrecy, in order to maintain that funding stream, a lot of those physicists that were involved in the Manhattan Project actually went into the precursor projects of the Human Genome Project. 51:15.587 --> 51:22.653 And most of those, that's just traceable history that just nobody traces back. 51:23.854 --> 51:26.136 And so if I just kind of 51:27.105 --> 51:30.106 humbly submit that I don't know. 51:30.126 --> 51:33.908 I just know that this has been exaggerated for a long time. 51:33.968 --> 51:55.939 If I humbly submit that I think we have a lot of work to do to try and extricate our kids from this, we cannot have our kids growing up thinking that most of their biology is determined by genes, and most of the genes have already been identified, and it's just a matter of time and doing the work before all of these problems can be solved by altering those genes, because that is not the truth. 51:56.879 --> 52:02.845 Yet that is the truth that's presented in Biology 101 and in high school biology, and it traps people. 52:03.966 --> 52:17.880 I have an article from the same, I guess it's a year later, where they're talking about how every biology, it's an opinion piece in Nature, I apologize for not having it up, where 52:18.380 --> 52:37.008 they argue that every young person needs to be taught the primacy of genes so that they understand how important it is going forward, and that they go into biology as scientists with the right outlook so that we can make the fastest progress toward the mastery of this. 52:37.168 --> 52:39.088 And I am sorry, but after 52:40.629 --> 52:44.111 After being a biologist for 20 years, I just didn't get it. 52:44.211 --> 52:46.632 I didn't get it, and now I actually think I do. 52:47.973 --> 53:00.239 In the sense of a lot of what I thought I knew was already well understood to a level of high fidelity was actually a lot of bravado and promises that date back to a time when we didn't have all the molecular 53:00.979 --> 53:08.888 you know, ideas that we have now, or all the molecular evidence that might be thrown at us now, the ideas were already well formed. 53:09.108 --> 53:17.817 And we are still working firmly within those ideas, which are rooted in physics thinking, and probability thinking, and big numbers thinking. 53:19.099 --> 53:22.482 And that's a real dangerous place for our kids to grow up. 53:23.763 --> 53:39.815 because that's the same place where viruses are outside of us, those enzymes are outside of us, and that RNA in viral form can be as dangerous as a new mosquito or an invasive rodent or worse, worse than a nuclear bomb. 53:41.215 --> 53:50.357 So I know you might be disappointed, but honestly, I feel as though the most important thing for me to say right here is that you guys have given me too much time. 53:51.338 --> 53:54.238 This is my, I really believe it's my sixth time speaking. 53:54.298 --> 53:56.959 So I want to leave it at this. 53:57.059 --> 54:07.102 Understand that also there was a lot of biology around bacteriophages and a lot of principles of bacteriophages that have remained, assumed that a 54:08.562 --> 54:14.227 a similar relationship would exist between us and similar particles. 54:14.287 --> 54:24.415 And that insistence is also a false basis for this viral contagion idea and hiding this basic transfection and transformation. 54:24.455 --> 54:35.483 So, instead of speaking for an hour, I already probably spoke too long, I want to be able to answer as many questions as anybody wants to throw at me, even from previous talks. 54:38.085 --> 54:38.225 of a 54:45.497 --> 54:53.980 And let me give you a few questions that you can ask him that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now. 54:54.040 --> 54:55.560 And I think that's really where we are. 54:55.620 --> 54:56.961 They need more data. 54:57.001 --> 55:06.443 They think that if they have more data and they feed it into more computers that eventually they'll make the progress they thought they were going to make 20 years ago back when these guys were talking about it. 55:06.483 --> 55:07.604 But I don't think that's the case. 55:10.108 --> 55:18.010 I very apologize for if it wasn't as organized as you thought it would be, but asking me to explain the Human Genome Project in an hour is pretty tough. 55:18.930 --> 55:29.732 And the state of the art right now is extraordinary, but it's also still just chemistry, and it hasn't scratched the surface of how we as a pattern integrity are generated, maintained. 55:31.513 --> 55:32.473 It's just not there yet. 55:32.533 --> 55:36.054 We're not going to get there probably, and I don't think it's necessary, honestly. 55:37.814 --> 55:38.054 Anyway. 55:38.732 --> 55:42.954 Well, Jay, loved it, loved it, not disappointed at all. 55:43.174 --> 55:52.339 I love the series of questions and I love what the intent of this group is to stop thinking, yes, I know how life works. 55:53.159 --> 55:55.680 And so thank you for, we'll call this the confession of JJ. 55:59.041 --> 56:10.867 The people that I've been around for a long time have said similar things, including Ian Brighthope has told this group about the depth of understanding of the functioning of the human cell is minuscule. 56:11.288 --> 56:16.811 So the sheer ego of people saying this is how it works, it's lovely to be reminded of that. 56:17.631 --> 56:19.051 You know, there's lots of them. 56:19.111 --> 56:22.292 And I just say there's that in the same list of things to download. 56:22.312 --> 56:25.373 There's a book by Dennis Noble called Understanding Living Systems. 56:25.393 --> 56:28.294 He's a guy from the UK who's been around for a long time. 56:28.334 --> 56:29.094 He's still at it. 56:30.314 --> 56:35.215 You know, these one of many dudes who this is me discovering that there were a lot of people out there. 56:35.875 --> 56:36.836 It's not my idea. 56:36.876 --> 56:38.096 It's not my idea at all. 56:39.516 --> 56:42.937 I'm just happy to be a part of the the awakening to it. 56:44.544 --> 56:45.785 Thanks, Jay. 56:46.026 --> 56:49.088 So, Stephen, the next 15 minutes is yours. 56:49.108 --> 56:50.850 We've got lots of hands up. 56:52.751 --> 56:54.192 Let's go with you, Stephen. 56:56.394 --> 57:05.382 So, JJ, I sense that this is really important, but I haven't really been thinking about it, I must admit. 57:05.402 --> 57:08.804 I just was thinking as you were talking, 57:11.431 --> 57:12.672 What do you think is true? 57:12.692 --> 57:17.495 So do you believe in evolution, and is evolution inconsistent with a belief in God? 57:22.679 --> 57:34.288 Evolution in the X-Men sort of way, where there's random mutations, and then everybody just reproduces, and the ones that reproduce are passing their genes along, is not sufficient to explain. 57:34.308 --> 57:36.810 Well, whether human beings evolved from animals. 57:38.303 --> 57:41.466 No, I don't know that, no, I don't, I guess. 57:41.987 --> 57:59.504 I probably did before the pandemic, but I just have come to understand that we only have data from today and any data that we have from yesterday is still not deep enough in time for any justification to think that there has been a dynamic change from mud puddle to monkey to man. 58:01.782 --> 58:06.007 So essentially the same scenario as we've had in the last five years. 58:06.147 --> 58:17.579 They were talking about gain-of-function research and how dangerous, you know, putting the idea in people's heads, ordinary people's heads, that, ooh, a lab leak, ooh, and they've got a lab near me too. 58:17.919 --> 58:19.661 Apparently the labs can appear anywhere. 58:20.962 --> 58:34.787 So is this human hubris and just kind of gone unchecked, you know, because it's a cult and everybody wants to join the cult so that they're not threatened and don't have to take responsibility? 58:35.547 --> 58:37.948 Is it just cults gone mad or what? 58:38.448 --> 58:40.590 And so where does Darwin fit in this? 58:40.670 --> 58:42.752 Charles Darwin, you know, the origin of the species? 58:42.812 --> 58:48.316 Yeah, Charles Darwin didn't think that his theory explained all the way back to the mud puddle. 58:48.656 --> 58:49.617 I mean, and he knew that. 58:49.677 --> 58:51.398 A lot of his contemporaries knew that. 58:51.498 --> 58:57.863 I think, I mean, you know, I was in preparation for this. 58:57.923 --> 59:05.149 And the reason why I kind of pulled the chute and didn't try to do a really one hour discussion about molecular biology, some kind of crash course or something, 59:05.990 --> 59:08.471 was because I think it's a really bigger idea than that. 59:08.511 --> 59:15.232 I mean, I found a paper where they tried to describe all the major phylogenies of spiders. 59:15.292 --> 59:24.975 And then I suddenly realized that you could think in the very short time scale and think, oh yeah, those are different species of spider. 59:25.795 --> 59:34.297 Or you could think of those as snapshots of a continuum of change and waves of expression of all the same basic 59:36.478 --> 59:37.598 biological pattern. 59:37.638 --> 59:54.742 And so, if you look at a long enough timescale in your imagination, spiders don't ever have to have come from anything, but they can still be a constantly changing vibration, and we can be constantly changing vibrations without having to have come from more primitive ones. 59:55.922 --> 01:00:00.723 So again, I feel like the lack of data from anywhere but now 01:00:02.765 --> 01:00:11.689 And also the idea, for example, that everybody that collects dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university, but as a private company, and they only sell models. 01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:20.834 And it just, for me, it's all starting to drive me nuts because I know that the exaggeration is multi-generational. 01:00:21.681 --> 01:00:41.494 So much like if you if anyone is familiar with this, I just had as Ray Kurzweiler is a guy who for many years has been talking about the exponential growth of technology and some kind of point of, you know, you know, where technology and biology is going to come together. 01:00:41.574 --> 01:00:45.336 And he's been projecting for a long time because he's very, very smart. 01:00:45.396 --> 01:00:47.798 And he's, you know, I don't know, I use math or something. 01:00:48.238 --> 01:00:55.081 that it's like 2040 when we're going to be able to upload our consciousness or there will be no more disease or something like this. 01:00:55.141 --> 01:01:02.943 This is the same promise that these people are making in these books that I'm holding up here when they didn't know as much as we know now. 01:01:03.123 --> 01:01:03.944 It's the same 01:01:05.182 --> 01:01:13.293 thing that Elon Musk is saying that in 10 years, we're going to be able to implant something in your brain that will interact with all parts of you. 01:01:13.333 --> 01:01:14.574 I mean, it's just absurd. 01:01:15.876 --> 01:01:17.218 These statements are absurd. 01:01:17.799 --> 01:01:18.259 Absolutely. 01:01:21.616 --> 01:01:23.856 The Human Genome Project is part of that. 01:01:23.936 --> 01:01:34.899 The idea that, at best, these people understood that if they were going to extract any meaningful data from us, they were going to need us to think of ourselves in this way. 01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:40.481 I agree with you. 01:01:40.581 --> 01:01:45.443 So we have to examine, think about everything, but we are actually just like them. 01:01:45.663 --> 01:02:06.195 We're human beings too, so we're going to be somewhat limited, but apparently we're told that there are hundreds of billions of stars, suns, in our galaxy, and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe. 01:02:06.935 --> 01:02:07.656 And we live on 01:02:08.886 --> 01:02:20.796 one planet in one solar system, and the nearest solar system to ours is four light years away, Sirius, I think it is. 01:02:22.737 --> 01:02:34.447 And that's the nearest solar system, the nearest star, and there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way, and there are hundreds of billions of Milky Ways. 01:02:35.945 --> 01:02:37.246 It's just incredible, isn't it? 01:02:37.306 --> 01:02:39.007 So is that true, do you think? 01:02:42.348 --> 01:02:44.209 I don't know. 01:02:44.569 --> 01:02:49.592 If it is true, allegedly true, how do some people get to say that? 01:02:50.632 --> 01:02:53.154 And at the same time, Elon Musk is talking about 01:02:54.099 --> 01:03:04.992 interplanetary travel, inter-solar system travel as I understand it, and people, as you know, aren't properly educated so they've got no idea of what the numbers mean. 01:03:05.092 --> 01:03:10.978 So four light years is a huge distance if you're traveling by anything that a man made. 01:03:14.674 --> 01:03:16.375 And that's the nearest solar system. 01:03:16.495 --> 01:03:23.477 So quite where Elon Musk is going in his interplanetary travel or intersolar system travel, I don't know. 01:03:24.038 --> 01:03:24.738 And in what machine? 01:03:24.758 --> 01:03:28.819 Or is he talking about being kind of going through time? 01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:30.900 Do you know? 01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:32.461 No, I don't know. 01:03:32.681 --> 01:03:35.162 I mean, honestly, I think it's all just 01:03:36.886 --> 01:03:39.788 It's all hamster wheels, unfortunately. 01:03:39.808 --> 01:03:44.531 And I think if we if we wake up to it soon enough, our kids can get out of the trap. 01:03:45.332 --> 01:03:46.733 We're not going to get out of this trap. 01:03:46.793 --> 01:03:47.994 It's like a moving thing. 01:03:49.215 --> 01:03:53.057 So, JJ, what do you think is at the moment, what do you think is true now? 01:03:53.298 --> 01:03:57.140 Everything that you thought was true is coming apart. 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.302 But what do you think is still true now? 01:04:01.570 --> 01:04:11.667 I mean, there are probably an irreducible complexity of small genetic signals in the background in our world. 01:04:12.468 --> 01:04:14.011 And what does that mean to the layman? 01:04:15.774 --> 01:04:21.796 that no matter what small sample you took, you're probably gonna be able to find some genetic material in it. 01:04:22.716 --> 01:04:28.718 And these people have just like, you know, if you put food out in your backyard, you're gonna get birds in the backyard. 01:04:28.758 --> 01:04:32.319 That doesn't mean that those birds have all kinds of significance for your life. 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:42.803 And I really think that if you look using their tools and their techniques, which essentially are not very good, because again, 01:04:45.109 --> 01:04:53.434 For a human genome, for example, one of the things that it relies on is that they're supposedly the same molecule in every cell. 01:04:53.494 --> 01:05:01.679 So that if they have enough of your cells and they isolate the nuclei, then they have lots of copies of the same molecule. 01:05:02.019 --> 01:05:04.640 And that's one of the only ways that they can get a lot of it. 01:05:04.660 --> 01:05:06.882 If they don't have a lot of it, just like any other 01:05:07.745 --> 01:05:09.546 physical or chemical process. 01:05:09.586 --> 01:05:12.147 If you don't have enough molecules, you don't know what's going on. 01:05:12.748 --> 01:05:16.510 If you don't have enough atoms, you don't have any attributes. 01:05:16.830 --> 01:05:18.131 It's not a gas or a liquid. 01:05:18.611 --> 01:05:24.174 And if you don't have enough of these biomolecules, you can't tell what the sequence is. 01:05:24.274 --> 01:05:28.256 And so with DNA, if you don't have enough of it, you can't sequence it. 01:05:28.316 --> 01:05:36.781 So all of this process of saying what was in the cell is based on making orders of magnitude more 01:05:37.864 --> 01:05:48.500 than what was present in the initial sample and assuming that the signal that you are able to measure when you make enough of it is equivalent to what you would have measured if you only had one in one cell. 01:05:49.596 --> 01:06:01.484 And there's such a giant number of assumptions there that any number of ways that producing the large quantity and then measuring it could have no bearing on what the original small quantity was. 01:06:02.545 --> 01:06:17.314 And we, of course, are taking all of this for granted as being done with high fidelity, perfect objectivity, and high accuracy since the 70s, which I think at this point in time has almost enslaved us. 01:06:20.566 --> 01:06:40.733 So, JJ, you know about the science, or sorry, science, not the science, and you've got a very good handle on biology, and it would be really helpful if you wrote a book in the future, maybe not now, because you're still in a confused state, as far as I can see. 01:06:41.633 --> 01:06:47.275 No, not in a bad way, but you're being honest, and you could write a book entitled 01:06:49.130 --> 01:06:54.793 what we know, you know, and we could agree on what we actually do know and what we don't know. 01:06:54.873 --> 01:07:02.037 So I'm now wondering whether it's 93 million miles to the sun, our sun. 01:07:03.774 --> 01:07:12.118 Are there hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe? 01:07:12.779 --> 01:07:13.099 Don't know. 01:07:13.879 --> 01:07:26.105 But if there are that many, hundreds of billions times hundreds of billions, then that means there are a lot of suns in the universe, aren't there? 01:07:27.308 --> 01:07:30.210 And that's just beyond our comprehension. 01:07:30.330 --> 01:07:44.080 I guess the flip side of this would be that you could study a long time the diversity of the grains of sand on the beaches of Italy and probably find a lot of interesting patterns and possibilities there. 01:07:44.140 --> 01:07:55.169 But if in the end all of those measurements and calculations have no bearing on Jay in Pittsburgh, then I guess I probably want to teach my kids about other things. 01:07:55.249 --> 01:07:56.670 And that to me is maybe 01:07:57.430 --> 01:08:08.317 The worst part of astrophysics is it's fine to look at the stars and it's fine to do that stuff, but how much money have we spent on it and should we? 01:08:08.337 --> 01:08:18.143 There's a lot of this that bothers me now because America is in shambles and our infrastructure is all but withered away. 01:08:20.984 --> 01:08:29.935 And we have accepted all of the reality that they've given us from the pandemic and the stakes going forward. 01:08:29.975 --> 01:08:35.682 And if we can't free our children from this, they're going to grow up with an inordinate amount of fear and uncertainty. 01:08:38.069 --> 01:08:52.821 Well, it seems to me, J.J., they've divided us, and the modus operandi seems to be dividing as much as possible, creating as much confusion as possible, and that depends on people being very sure of their position. 01:08:53.402 --> 01:09:02.089 So how we can help people is to say it's very healthy and very good to say, I don't know, and we don't know. 01:09:03.830 --> 01:09:06.613 But no human beings have to say, oh yeah, we do know. 01:09:06.853 --> 01:09:07.594 No, we don't know. 01:09:07.874 --> 01:09:09.676 We cannot avoid death. 01:09:10.376 --> 01:09:15.981 That tells me nobody can avoid death, as far as I can see, and that is true. 01:09:17.042 --> 01:09:26.110 So that means that we have a limited understanding of the world in which we live, in the universe in which we live, just like the cat, just like the dog. 01:09:28.092 --> 01:09:30.193 Think about this one just for an anecdote. 01:09:30.854 --> 01:09:50.245 One of the guys that they gave the Nobel Prize to this year for actually the folding program, but his whole work was based on small RNAs, micro RNAs or something like that, small regulatory RNAs in C. elegans, the worm that has a known number of cells. 01:09:51.132 --> 01:10:00.696 And so it's very easy for me to imagine that we have been very inaccurate in our division of where 01:10:02.879 --> 01:10:23.046 certain higher properties of life have emerged and oftentimes all of our interesting stories like you know there's a whole book on prions behind me and most of that book is done in yeast and so the idea that people eat brains on some island and they get these these misfolded proteins has been 01:10:24.667 --> 01:10:28.431 all the molecular data that supposedly supports that is done in yeast. 01:10:28.752 --> 01:10:36.160 And so it's just a model of, and then supposedly what happens in humans is a homologous molecular mechanism. 01:10:36.280 --> 01:10:42.727 And so much of our genetic understanding and our viral understanding is actually the assumption 01:10:43.408 --> 01:10:49.473 that what we know about bacteria and bacteriophages has a homologous system in our own. 01:10:49.773 --> 01:11:04.404 And those assumptions are taken advantage of all the time too, where principles that were proven in bacteriophages are just assumed to work for these other RNA signals that these people report to study. 01:11:04.905 --> 01:11:09.949 JJ, do you know anything about a concept known as singularity, which is a 01:11:10.908 --> 01:11:17.071 a very small, infinitely dense entity, as far as I can understand. 01:11:17.672 --> 01:11:25.376 The one that they're talking about now is the singularity between technology and biology, but I think you're just talking about like a black hole center or something. 01:11:25.676 --> 01:11:37.062 I'm talking about the singularity which was the start of everything, and then you've got the Big Bang, and then everything was expanding, and it's still expanding apparently. 01:11:39.656 --> 01:11:49.664 Yeah and somewhere in there a lightning bolt hit a mud puddle on a rock that was really the right space away from the star to have liquid water and then it's been there for about a billion years and that's why. 01:11:49.685 --> 01:11:50.045 Exactly. 01:11:51.607 --> 01:11:53.529 Amazing, isn't it? 01:11:53.849 --> 01:11:55.010 All right, let's go to questions. 01:11:55.050 --> 01:11:55.710 Thank you, Charles. 01:11:55.750 --> 01:11:56.551 Yes, very good. 01:11:56.811 --> 01:11:57.172 Well done. 01:11:57.632 --> 01:11:58.993 I was wondering a bit there. 01:11:59.514 --> 01:12:04.378 Dave Raznick, we've got lots of hands up, lots of conversation to be had. 01:12:04.398 --> 01:12:06.359 So Dave, over to you. 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:08.721 Dave's going to ask you some hard questions now, JJ. 01:12:09.702 --> 01:12:10.002 Oh, no. 01:12:10.082 --> 01:12:13.205 The first thing I'm going to say is congratulations, man. 01:12:13.565 --> 01:12:16.888 That is very, very interesting and entertaining. 01:12:17.408 --> 01:12:18.289 You did a great job. 01:12:18.389 --> 01:12:19.410 First, can you all hear me? 01:12:21.075 --> 01:12:22.175 The screen froze up there. 01:12:23.175 --> 01:12:24.316 Yeah, we can all hear you, David. 01:12:25.116 --> 01:12:25.656 OK, good. 01:12:26.136 --> 01:12:26.856 All right. 01:12:28.137 --> 01:12:32.538 Yeah, Jay, I actually came late 90s. 01:12:32.598 --> 01:12:37.259 I came pretty much the same conclusion that you did recently, I guess. 01:12:37.819 --> 01:12:40.539 But it had to do with when I started working on cancer. 01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:43.540 And I'm not going to go into all those details. 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:46.621 I'm writing a book, and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that. 01:12:48.778 --> 01:13:04.243 And just a couple of interesting things I want to share with everybody once I realize the unimportance of individual genes and the DNA and all that, much less important in the realm that people think it is. 01:13:06.304 --> 01:13:10.346 Some of the specifics that I've learned, I'm not a genetics guy. 01:13:10.446 --> 01:13:14.487 I'm a protein guy, basically, but I follow a lot of this stuff. 01:13:15.462 --> 01:13:20.005 And when I was looking at the human genome and the other genome projects, I was following it. 01:13:20.925 --> 01:13:34.953 And it turns out that humans and mice, and not only humans and mice, but humans and other species too, have virtually identically the same number of genes, something just below 20,000 or so, and not the higher organisms anyway. 01:13:35.574 --> 01:13:39.456 And 99% of them are functionally equivalent, all right? 01:13:40.385 --> 01:13:49.750 So how do those same genes know to make a mouse or to make a human, for example, or a turtle or something like that? 01:13:51.350 --> 01:13:55.672 That's just a facetious question, but I'm pointing this out. 01:13:55.692 --> 01:13:57.593 I'm using it as an analogy. 01:13:58.114 --> 01:14:03.136 The genes in the genome is basically a dictionary, a biological dictionary. 01:14:04.316 --> 01:14:08.559 It just so happens, last I looked, the Oxford English Dictionary has 23 volumes. 01:14:10.291 --> 01:14:13.734 And the human dictionary, we have 23 chromosomes. 01:14:14.915 --> 01:14:19.098 And the mice have 20 chromosomes, but we have the same 20,000 genes. 01:14:19.859 --> 01:14:25.824 So basically, what's going on is that there's a total complete mystery. 01:14:25.904 --> 01:14:27.665 This is totally, totally complete. 01:14:28.886 --> 01:14:35.572 If I wasn't a scientist, but I could easily sympathize with people, think there's something spiritual going on here. 01:14:36.032 --> 01:14:38.654 OK, we've got this dictionary, but we don't have a clue 01:14:39.555 --> 01:14:49.271 what turns those words in the biological dictionary into a human, over here, and a mouse over there, 01:14:52.411 --> 01:15:06.477 So anyway, I just wanted to share those analogies with people, and I would love to talk with you, Jay, privately about this, because I thought you were going to get really, really technical and talk about the Genome Project. 01:15:06.958 --> 01:15:09.799 I thoroughly, much, much more appreciated 01:15:11.059 --> 01:15:14.280 the road that you took to come where I am too. 01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:16.260 I totally accept. 01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.181 I feel like I'm a brother with you on this whole thing. 01:15:19.581 --> 01:15:20.921 So I'll shut up now. 01:15:21.521 --> 01:15:22.761 I said what I wanted to say. 01:15:23.781 --> 01:15:24.702 Good to hear from you, Dick. 01:15:24.722 --> 01:15:25.222 Thank you. 01:15:25.422 --> 01:15:26.322 Nice, David. 01:15:27.142 --> 01:15:27.662 Well done, David. 01:15:27.702 --> 01:15:31.243 It's a good, nice initials you've got here from someone with a PhD, D-R. 01:15:32.983 --> 01:15:33.363 All right. 01:15:34.663 --> 01:15:34.983 John. 01:15:35.583 --> 01:15:36.304 John Lukacs. 01:15:37.904 --> 01:15:38.284 Hey, JJ. 01:15:39.770 --> 01:15:46.075 I don't want to hog up a whole lot of time here, but three or four things came to mind as I was listening to you. 01:15:46.136 --> 01:15:49.819 I'd like to hear maybe your take on this, whatever your opinion is. 01:15:51.400 --> 01:15:53.982 One of them is about DNA in general. 01:15:55.364 --> 01:15:59.127 I can't quote anybody for this idea. 01:15:59.147 --> 01:16:02.550 I think I maybe came to it myself, but there's this idea that 01:16:03.574 --> 01:16:16.144 Once you stretch it out to look at it or splice a piece or cut a piece out, it ceases to be what it once was. 01:16:17.124 --> 01:16:18.766 You can't really experiment on it. 01:16:19.839 --> 01:16:24.101 I don't really know if you agree with that, but I'd be interested in knowing what you think of it. 01:16:25.162 --> 01:16:44.753 The other thing might be just an opinion on Mendel, because the reading that I've done on Mendel is that he was pretty much an unreliable monk that did a whole bunch of experiments on pea plants, as we know, and he gave us things like genes for traits and laws of inheritance and Punnett squares, all of which 01:16:45.629 --> 01:16:48.631 you know, just terribly unreliable. 01:16:50.172 --> 01:16:55.516 So, you know, I think Darwin based a lot of his model on Mendel. 01:16:56.357 --> 01:17:07.124 And, you know, it's just this continuum where, you know, what we're calling genetics now was, you know, previously rebranded from eugenics. 01:17:07.184 --> 01:17:08.925 And from there, we get bioethics. 01:17:08.986 --> 01:17:15.270 I mean, it's just a big downward, you know, a hill into the abyss, right? 01:17:18.550 --> 01:17:23.854 Yeah, I didn't know when you wanted me to jump in there, but... Well, I'm just trying to not load you up. 01:17:23.874 --> 01:17:45.429 I mean, I think we just think very much similarly, and I think the added danger is the perceived role that these have for people that aren't thinking on a very sophisticated biological... I mean, you know, it's hard for me... Let me maybe say it this way. 01:17:46.714 --> 01:18:04.553 It's very easy for me to see how the transgender issue and the arguing about whether sex is determined by chromosomes is a trap, because of course sex is determined by chromosomes, just like when you have an extra one, you get Down syndrome. 01:18:04.573 --> 01:18:08.697 But that doesn't mean that that principle holds true to understand us 01:18:09.358 --> 01:18:10.459 has a pattern integrity. 01:18:10.519 --> 01:18:18.609 It's like an anecdotal story about like if you take the light bulbs out of one side of your car, then only one side will be without light. 01:18:18.649 --> 01:18:22.433 But that it doesn't explain how the whole car works or anything like that. 01:18:22.493 --> 01:18:27.659 And so I feel very strongly that this is a trap that they're 01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:35.207 getting us to say that, you know, genes determine everything, including sex, as if they're smart and they understand biology. 01:18:35.248 --> 01:18:36.449 And of course, it's genes. 01:18:37.029 --> 01:18:39.092 And that's a very dangerous trap. 01:18:39.132 --> 01:18:43.236 And it only dawned on me in the last few weeks that that trap. 01:18:43.296 --> 01:18:47.561 In fact, look, I even have a I even bought something the other day. 01:18:49.738 --> 01:19:09.681 Because this is what actually cued me into thinking that it was a trap, because there's even a thing on X now where they're selling hats that say XX and XY, and it's a real big campaign to get real women in sports and keep the weird men out, but it's also a very seductive 01:19:10.442 --> 01:19:14.225 way to get people to think that this holds true for all traits then. 01:19:14.405 --> 01:19:20.309 Everything is just genes and we understand everything and what we don't understand, we just need more data and then we will understand it. 01:19:20.369 --> 01:19:21.209 And that's the deal. 01:19:23.171 --> 01:19:24.091 Right. 01:19:25.072 --> 01:19:34.879 You know, I get asked a lot of questions by a lot of people who are caught up in this whole nanotech fear porn thing, and I've never heard you give an opinion on it. 01:19:34.939 --> 01:19:36.140 Mine is that it's all crap. 01:19:36.820 --> 01:19:39.502 I don't know where you fall on that, but I think, you know, 01:19:41.256 --> 01:19:45.078 not to overly reduce it, but consciousness doesn't reside in the brain. 01:19:45.138 --> 01:19:47.260 I think most people would agree with that. 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:56.726 So nothing they, you know, put in you is gonna really affect your, they're gonna turn anybody into a remote control toy or anything like that. 01:19:56.967 --> 01:20:02.390 I just think it's a, you know, it's an easy sci-fi concept to get caught up in. 01:20:02.771 --> 01:20:06.073 And a lot of people are caught up in this and I can't talk them out of it. 01:20:06.113 --> 01:20:07.414 Most of them, they're just insistent. 01:20:12.492 --> 01:20:36.528 yeah yep all right uh johnny john uh john you know thank you for that comment john yeah good good thinking good thoughts marv hey uh i just read this last week uh in uh gabor mate's uh the realm of hungry ghosts uh he he 01:20:39.443 --> 01:20:48.611 your mud puddle organisms have about 100,000 genes, and the human cells today have about 30,000. 01:20:49.571 --> 01:20:53.815 And Swartzen, what's his name, these 01:20:56.252 --> 01:21:14.794 The reason that we have fewer genes is the humans or the mammal species has developed this adaptability, and we discard genes and add genes to adapt to the new environment or the new conditions. 01:21:17.099 --> 01:21:26.664 And this is fairly recent knowledge about the number of genes and this adaptability that human cells have. 01:21:26.764 --> 01:21:34.729 And this is why we've become so different in the last millennium, in the last couple of hundred years. 01:21:36.129 --> 01:21:45.715 We have a museum here in Salem, Oregon, where we can visit and look at the artifacts of people who came here in the 1830s, the missionaries. 01:21:46.684 --> 01:21:48.425 These were tiny people. 01:21:49.845 --> 01:21:54.347 I mean, if you were 5'5 in 1830, you were a big person. 01:21:54.767 --> 01:21:57.348 A six-footer was unheard of in the 1830s. 01:21:57.808 --> 01:21:59.089 Their beds were tiny. 01:21:59.149 --> 01:22:00.649 Their shoes were tiny. 01:22:02.810 --> 01:22:10.473 But anyway, I wanted to ask you about the number of genes in the human cell today and its adaptability. 01:22:11.293 --> 01:22:15.775 And I want to see if you're familiar with this book. 01:22:17.403 --> 01:22:30.575 The Mind and the Brain, Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force, 2002, Swartz and Sharon Begley. 01:22:31.476 --> 01:22:40.484 Anyway, it's just, this book is a treasure trove of this information about geneticism. 01:22:40.524 --> 01:22:41.886 So anyway, I thought maybe you... 01:22:43.069 --> 01:22:51.314 The main thing is the number of human genes today, and the number of human genes in your mud puddle organisms. 01:22:51.734 --> 01:22:54.876 It's a lot to unpack there, because again, we kind of 01:22:57.025 --> 01:23:06.410 We get into a scenario very quick, and I'm saying this in the most humble, I'm not at all trying to disrespect, so don't hear it that way, even if it might sound like that at first pass. 01:23:07.450 --> 01:23:21.397 When we argue about viruses and virology and clones and what they call a quasi-species and all of this other stuff, a lot of these arguments, because they are 01:23:22.526 --> 01:23:23.286 taking place. 01:23:23.766 --> 01:23:45.391 The other day on my stream I used this analogy that the limited spectrum of debate that we're trapped in is actually a very big steel ball, and inside of it these people that are keeping us there are riding around these motorcycles that make a lot of noise, and the thing goes around like this, and it seems like it's really exciting, and there's a real debate going on, but actually we're not getting anywhere. 01:23:46.011 --> 01:24:00.340 And when we start talking about whether there are 100,000 genes or 30,000 genes, we're actually already inside of that ball riding a motorcycle thinking that we're going to go somewhere when we're just going to go around in circles and the audience is going to see us do it. 01:24:00.901 --> 01:24:03.122 And there's going to be fire, but we're not going to get anywhere. 01:24:03.602 --> 01:24:13.489 And so I think, like I was and still maybe am, by discussing this, you know, those people were smaller. 01:24:13.509 --> 01:24:14.610 Well, did they eat what we eat? 01:24:15.650 --> 01:24:17.671 Did they have access to the food that we do? 01:24:17.711 --> 01:24:20.453 Did they have access to the medicines that we do? 01:24:21.473 --> 01:24:24.975 How many of them, you know, and how does our height look now? 01:24:25.075 --> 01:24:26.816 How does our fat content look now? 01:24:26.876 --> 01:24:29.897 And how is that, is that genes or what people are eating? 01:24:29.957 --> 01:24:35.840 What toxins are in the present in our environment or for your kids that were not present for the people who came over on the Mayflower? 01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:37.261 And so there's lots of 01:24:38.081 --> 01:24:39.182 pluses and minuses. 01:24:39.222 --> 01:24:47.110 I mean I don't know at this stage how much I was exposed to growth hormone or something like that and all the milk I drank when I was in Wisconsin. 01:24:47.150 --> 01:24:55.137 I mean I don't know if drinking milk is something that made me six foot five and if I wasn't drinking milk my whole life I would have only been 01:24:56.358 --> 01:24:57.500 I don't know. 01:24:58.281 --> 01:25:09.496 All I know for sure is that these people who work at the NIH, who descend from these geneticists, physicists, chemists that didn't know enough but knew what they wanted, 01:25:11.398 --> 01:25:23.025 I don't have a good interpretation anymore, but I know that people being smaller in the past doesn't mean that genes mean everything. 01:25:23.065 --> 01:25:34.973 I mean, I think it's very possible that if you could go back and grab a bunch of babies from that time and bring them to now, you would find them expressing phenotypes that were closer to the people around them. 01:25:35.814 --> 01:25:42.943 So you don't accept this adaptability theory of our cells discarding genes? 01:25:44.178 --> 01:25:45.958 The crocodiles have the same genes. 01:25:45.978 --> 01:26:01.361 I think it's much more likely that what is, is that there is a, as Dave said, there is a library, the vast majority of which might never be used depending on the environmental and developmental conditions that the animal is exposed to. 01:26:01.421 --> 01:26:06.822 And so it may be that there's an adaptability, but it's not an adaptability where you discard genes. 01:26:06.842 --> 01:26:09.303 You just don't read some books sometimes. 01:26:09.363 --> 01:26:11.443 And in other generations, you read those books. 01:26:12.023 --> 01:26:17.805 And that is a kind of flexibility that is not a part of the Human Genome Project model. 01:26:17.845 --> 01:26:24.848 It's not a part of this model where you look for genetic diseases and then apply that thinking to understanding a healthy human. 01:26:24.888 --> 01:26:26.989 That's a completely different way of thinking. 01:26:27.049 --> 01:26:32.071 So what you're onto is in that same general direction that I think we need to go. 01:26:32.211 --> 01:26:36.313 So don't, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to see if I can show you. 01:26:36.353 --> 01:26:37.733 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's very good. 01:26:37.813 --> 01:26:38.754 Very good, thank you. 01:26:39.134 --> 01:26:39.314 Yep. 01:26:40.034 --> 01:26:41.415 Thank you, thank you, Mav. 01:26:42.651 --> 01:26:43.132 Albert. 01:26:45.554 --> 01:26:46.455 AJ, how you doing? 01:26:47.096 --> 01:26:47.696 Could be worse. 01:26:48.998 --> 01:26:52.781 Hey, I got about three or four questions I'm going to ask real fast. 01:26:53.082 --> 01:27:00.109 And I'm a simple Christian, so I apologize in advance for some of these questions. 01:27:01.510 --> 01:27:04.994 But I believe that God made the baby perfect. 01:27:05.828 --> 01:27:14.131 So with that, I was wondering if you thought autism or cancer was hereditary? 01:27:16.632 --> 01:27:21.614 What is an immortal gene do you think is really cancer? 01:27:22.554 --> 01:27:24.635 And what is aliquoting? 01:27:25.415 --> 01:27:28.136 And do you believe in conferred immunity? 01:27:28.156 --> 01:27:28.217 And 01:27:29.969 --> 01:27:44.838 I asked you this one question a long time ago on this Zoom and you didn't laugh me out of the room, but I said, you know, if there's like good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, is there such thing as a good virus and a bad virus? 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.901 And you reached out and you pulled out a big book. 01:27:49.617 --> 01:27:53.299 And I would like to have that name again, because you said it was very expensive. 01:27:53.339 --> 01:27:55.700 But I don't know if you remember that. 01:27:56.220 --> 01:27:58.381 But anyways, those were my questions, Jay. 01:27:58.441 --> 01:28:01.122 I really appreciate your brainpower. 01:28:02.442 --> 01:28:03.763 You're very sweet. 01:28:04.383 --> 01:28:05.784 I'm knocking everything down here. 01:28:05.824 --> 01:28:07.184 Let me pull these books over here. 01:28:08.425 --> 01:28:13.587 The book that you're referring to, I'll go backwards, is there's two of them. 01:28:14.950 --> 01:28:16.091 that I think are really cool. 01:28:16.631 --> 01:28:19.493 And this literature always gets assembled in a weird way. 01:28:19.533 --> 01:28:20.194 I don't know why. 01:28:20.214 --> 01:28:24.697 There's a... I can go over here. 01:28:24.997 --> 01:28:31.121 JJ, you used to have a book on a table near where you sit, which was absolutely massive. 01:28:31.261 --> 01:28:36.424 And a few people asked me, what's that big book on JJ's table? 01:28:36.885 --> 01:28:38.005 Oh, it depends. 01:28:38.125 --> 01:28:40.467 If it's the one behind me, I've got a great big cabinet. 01:28:40.487 --> 01:28:41.187 No, it was open. 01:28:41.247 --> 01:28:41.728 It was open. 01:28:42.827 --> 01:28:50.653 Yeah, it was open, then it was a great big Catholic Bible back there, and then otherwise I have a domestic medical practice book that's almost as big as that. 01:28:50.833 --> 01:28:52.534 That Catholic Bible's from like 1890. 01:28:54.536 --> 01:28:56.858 So underneath here, is that the visible one? 01:28:56.938 --> 01:28:57.979 Can you see that camera? 01:28:57.999 --> 01:28:58.139 Yeah. 01:28:58.599 --> 01:29:04.420 So this book is edited by Gunther Wazany and it's called Biocommunication and Natural Genome Editing. 01:29:04.460 --> 01:29:09.922 A lot of this book is actually viruses and endogenous viruses in different systems. 01:29:10.542 --> 01:29:27.466 And then this one, Viruses Essential Agents of Life, is a huge compilation of studies and essays where people are talking about how viruses may even influence the epigenetic expression of genes and regulation of genes, especially in 01:29:28.146 --> 01:29:38.073 I mean, the easiest examples are in the phytoplankton in the ocean, but there are some examples from fungi and examples from... This is a book I have not barely penetrated. 01:29:38.093 --> 01:29:47.339 It is a book that I just bought on a whim because I thought I had to have it and I haven't penetrated it at all, so don't let me represent that as having done the reading. 01:29:49.100 --> 01:29:55.864 The other guy asked me about nanotech, so if you don't mind me just saying one or two words about that before I go on, Albert. 01:29:56.865 --> 01:30:02.629 Optogenetics is a thing that a lot of people are talking about lately, and there's usually a picture with a blue 01:30:03.389 --> 01:30:14.093 a blue laser going in via optic fiber into the head of a mouse, and then they're suggesting that they are putting this in your brain and they're going to control our mind with optogenetics. 01:30:14.133 --> 01:30:18.195 So let's understand what optogenetics are and understand why this is complete bullshit. 01:30:18.855 --> 01:30:28.419 So optogenetics, as they exist in neuroscience right now, in any form as far as I know, there might be something in DARPA that somebody will tell you is good, but I don't believe that. 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:43.348 is an adenovirus-based transformation of an algal protein found in chloroplasts, which is actually a blue light-gated sodium channel. 01:30:43.929 --> 01:30:46.710 How's that for a long list of words that I just pulled out of my head? 01:30:48.011 --> 01:30:55.016 Essentially what it is is that neuroscientists have wanted a non-invasive way to control neuronal behavior, 01:30:55.816 --> 01:31:06.104 Neurons are known to spike, they send signals based on this very quick snap of ion channels of sodium in and potassium out, or maybe it's the other way, I think it's that way. 01:31:06.665 --> 01:31:08.326 It's been a little while since I taught this. 01:31:08.666 --> 01:31:20.296 But sodium comes in, then potassium goes out, and so you see this wave, and it was originally described in the large axon of a squid, but all the neurons in our brain are sending binary signals where they snap, 01:31:20.856 --> 01:31:23.618 and then they send an electrical signal along their axon. 01:31:23.658 --> 01:31:27.841 And at the end of the axon, there's a release of neurotransmitter onto the receiving neuron. 01:31:28.342 --> 01:31:36.468 And if that neuron gets enough neurotransmitter, then it will be depolarized and snap and send a signal down its axons to the next neurons. 01:31:36.508 --> 01:31:38.189 And that's how the brain works. 01:31:38.269 --> 01:31:40.811 It's neurons going through this depolarization. 01:31:40.831 --> 01:31:45.515 So promoting it like gene on, gene off, you know, blue, green. 01:31:45.695 --> 01:31:47.596 So optogenetics is a, 01:31:49.818 --> 01:32:03.645 Transformation—keep in mind I've been trying to teach that for the last five times I've been here—an adenovirus with a DNA in it encoding that algal protein, that sodium channel that opens when you shine blue light on it. 01:32:04.186 --> 01:32:11.670 So they take that gene and they put it in an adenovirus using traditional pharmaceutical manufacturing methods, 01:32:12.662 --> 01:32:26.510 And then they take that adenovirus and they sell it to me and I squirt it into the brain of my mouse and all the neurons that are exposed to that and that get that DNA in them will start to express this protein. 01:32:27.011 --> 01:32:33.774 And this protein will insert itself into the membrane and we can stain it and we can show you that it inserts itself into the membrane. 01:32:34.395 --> 01:32:39.438 And when you shine blue light on the neuron by a hole in the head, 01:32:40.649 --> 01:32:43.872 you can make the neurons go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 01:32:44.493 --> 01:32:48.116 Or if you shine a little less blue light, you can get them to go bang, bang, bang. 01:32:48.517 --> 01:32:50.819 You shoot a little less blue light, you can get them to go bang. 01:32:50.859 --> 01:32:54.783 And so then you can do a really bright pulse and you can get everybody to go at once. 01:32:55.784 --> 01:32:56.424 And that's it. 01:32:57.301 --> 01:32:58.962 That's what optogenetics is. 01:32:59.062 --> 01:33:04.484 And so we're able to drive that into different neurons based on what genes they might express. 01:33:04.964 --> 01:33:09.245 We might be able to put it in different places, depending on where we squirted the identifiers. 01:33:09.306 --> 01:33:10.326 Yeah, this is my point. 01:33:10.366 --> 01:33:13.327 You're trying to conflate that into we can make you think the way we want to. 01:33:13.347 --> 01:33:15.548 And that's absolutely ridiculous. 01:33:15.588 --> 01:33:16.428 Yes, that's right. 01:33:16.488 --> 01:33:23.371 But you'll have whole people do podcasts about how optogenetics were in the shot, and we're all but dead, and we're almost remote control. 01:33:24.011 --> 01:33:25.853 And that's just not at all what's going on. 01:33:25.893 --> 01:33:29.377 So then you asked about immortal genes. 01:33:29.397 --> 01:33:32.020 There's just two anecdotal stories I'd like to bring up here. 01:33:32.981 --> 01:33:43.072 Most of the what are called immortal cell lines still need to be renewed from previous passages. 01:33:43.152 --> 01:33:44.573 So what's the best way to say this? 01:33:47.322 --> 01:33:58.647 if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds, and you didn't keep the seeds rather, but you just grew tomatoes, and then you tried to key hats, and that's not a good analogy. 01:33:58.687 --> 01:33:59.327 Hold on a second. 01:34:00.107 --> 01:34:08.511 The point is, is that when you grow cells in a laboratory, I guess you probably understand this from the ridiculous theater of the pandemic. 01:34:08.531 --> 01:34:11.052 When you grow cells in a laboratory, you grow them in a dish. 01:34:11.852 --> 01:34:18.157 and at some point they grow so many that there's no room for them anymore, and so what they do is they passage the cells. 01:34:18.638 --> 01:34:32.409 They disconnect them from the agar in a fluid, and then they dilute them into two dishes or four dishes, and then they let them grow until they cover those dishes, and then they split them again, and then they use these immortal cells to study stuff. 01:34:32.589 --> 01:34:32.910 They make 01:34:33.530 --> 01:34:35.972 put some virus on them or whatever the hell they do with them. 01:34:36.532 --> 01:34:40.194 Anyway, the point is, is that that's not an infinite process. 01:34:40.254 --> 01:34:42.015 I've been in those laboratories before. 01:34:42.035 --> 01:34:47.498 I've done a lot of biophysics experiments on potassium channels in cell lines that were immortal. 01:34:47.559 --> 01:34:56.704 But inevitably, those cell lines start to grow shitty, or they don't really grow anymore, or they start to die, and then you gotta go back to the freezer. 01:34:58.745 --> 01:34:59.546 That's the reality. 01:35:00.555 --> 01:35:18.886 And I don't think there are any examples in real laboratories where it's just the stuff from yesterday being recycled and split and recycled and split and recycled and split, and they never go back to a commercial source, or they never go back to a renewed source, or they never go back to a previous passage. 01:35:19.607 --> 01:35:23.209 I'm almost positive that's true, but I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong. 01:35:23.829 --> 01:35:33.136 The other anecdotal story that you should know and you might not know, depending on how ubiquitous it is in Europe, because I don't know how ubiquitous it is in America, 01:35:34.431 --> 01:35:52.381 But I can only tell you the anecdotal story that I told in the beginning of my Ron Johnson repeat that I did for my own platform, where I did basically the same talk that I gave to Sukrit last week, but I did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at Ron Johnson. 01:35:54.122 --> 01:35:56.463 You might not be aware, but one of the most 01:35:57.885 --> 01:36:05.769 used cell lines in pharmaceuticals and biotech and in academia is the fibroblast. 01:36:08.211 --> 01:36:18.336 And fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending supply of foreskin that comes from American hospitals, has remnant material. 01:36:19.797 --> 01:36:22.438 Now, at first, you might think, oh, that's all right. 01:36:23.899 --> 01:36:25.980 It's religious, I guess, or something like that. 01:36:26.020 --> 01:36:26.641 But it's not. 01:36:27.455 --> 01:36:38.300 Because all through the 70s in America, in order to supply this material, parents were told in different parts of the United States that it was a hygiene thing. 01:36:39.641 --> 01:36:48.865 And so it's a hygiene thing where not just a small portion of it is removed, like in a religious ceremony, but all of it is removed. 01:36:49.795 --> 01:36:59.299 And so being a kid growing up in Wisconsin and showering with everybody in elementary school, for whatever reason, I don't know why, that's the way it was at my school. 01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:08.183 I know for a fact that a large majority of the young males that I grew up with are fully 01:37:09.588 --> 01:37:10.549 They have nothing. 01:37:11.009 --> 01:37:14.170 And this is a biology discussion, so I'm not trying to get graphic here. 01:37:14.190 --> 01:37:31.360 I'm trying to describe to you how the flip side of this is, is that I had a guy who I went to, did my graduate study with in the Netherlands, who married a Turkish woman, and in so doing, he actually got himself circumcised by an imam and kind of, you know, 01:37:33.492 --> 01:37:38.179 for all practical purposes, converted to Islam so that he could marry this Turkish woman. 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:46.970 And I assure you that whatever was removed didn't go to a medical remnants sale and get derived into cell culture material. 01:37:47.611 --> 01:37:53.153 because there is a pipeline of this coming from American hospitals, and it has been for a long time. 01:37:53.213 --> 01:37:54.834 So are there immortal genes? 01:37:55.334 --> 01:38:03.117 Honestly, I don't know, because I do know that most of the cell culture material that's used in America is not immortal. 01:38:03.817 --> 01:38:08.519 even if they tell you it is, you should question this notion. 01:38:08.579 --> 01:38:13.081 And if I'm proven wrong, that only means that all of us will have learned it better. 01:38:13.121 --> 01:38:15.422 But I would be willing to bet it's not. 01:38:16.042 --> 01:38:19.304 Aliquoting is just when you have a sample like sugar 01:38:20.004 --> 01:38:28.226 And then you decide that you're going to take a really big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon-sized samples so that you can conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to. 01:38:28.726 --> 01:38:37.508 And so aliquoting is something that they say they do when they have this dish full of a virus and then they make it into a lot of small samples and send it all around the world. 01:38:37.728 --> 01:38:40.148 Any kind of thing like that would be aliquoting. 01:38:40.188 --> 01:38:41.528 It's not a very special word. 01:38:42.509 --> 01:38:44.289 And then good virus versus bad virus. 01:38:44.329 --> 01:38:46.770 I guess that was the question about the book, so I showed that first. 01:38:46.910 --> 01:38:47.530 I hope that was good. 01:38:47.890 --> 01:38:48.630 Was that what you had? 01:38:52.071 --> 01:38:53.251 This is Dave. 01:38:53.311 --> 01:38:56.611 I'd like to interject something since you're talking about immortal cells. 01:38:56.731 --> 01:38:57.711 I know a lot about them. 01:38:57.831 --> 01:38:58.492 Would that be all right? 01:38:58.512 --> 01:38:59.152 That would be great. 01:38:59.212 --> 01:38:59.572 Thank you. 01:38:59.592 --> 01:39:00.792 Yes, please clear this up. 01:39:00.932 --> 01:39:01.232 Okay. 01:39:02.432 --> 01:39:09.313 The immortal cell lines are all, all of them are aneuploid, meaning they have unbalanced chromosomes. 01:39:10.414 --> 01:39:18.075 Not all, not all aneuploid cells live forever, but all immortal cell lines like the HeLa cell line, that was the very first one. 01:39:18.455 --> 01:39:18.655 All right. 01:39:19.175 --> 01:39:20.095 They're immortal. 01:39:22.256 --> 01:39:24.016 I mean, the immortal ones are aneuploid. 01:39:24.476 --> 01:39:28.197 The diploid ones, the euploid ones, will always have this Hayflick limit. 01:39:28.217 --> 01:39:33.557 They'll divide maybe 50 to 70 fold, and then they'll slow down and stop dividing. 01:39:33.577 --> 01:39:34.798 They'll fall apart and everything. 01:39:35.278 --> 01:39:36.478 So that's all I wanted to say. 01:39:36.518 --> 01:39:39.658 The immortal cell lines have to be aneuploid. 01:39:40.519 --> 01:39:41.039 I see. 01:39:42.759 --> 01:39:43.659 Well, thank you for that. 01:39:45.259 --> 01:39:45.920 Thank you, Dave. 01:39:46.480 --> 01:39:47.100 Thanks, Albert. 01:39:47.620 --> 01:39:48.460 Good job, Laz. 01:39:51.141 --> 01:39:54.383 Charles, can I just ask, David, they have to be what, David? 01:39:54.423 --> 01:39:54.964 What did you say? 01:39:55.004 --> 01:39:55.644 What was that word? 01:39:56.725 --> 01:39:57.665 Aneuploid. 01:39:58.646 --> 01:39:59.306 What does that mean? 01:39:59.827 --> 01:40:00.487 Aneuploid. 01:40:00.507 --> 01:40:02.428 Euploid means balanced. 01:40:02.608 --> 01:40:09.812 You get one complete set of chromosomes from the mother, another complete set of chromosomes from the father for a balanced set. 01:40:09.952 --> 01:40:10.873 Humans would be 23 plus 23 is 46. 01:40:13.268 --> 01:40:19.731 Aneuploid would be like Down syndrome, where they got three chromosome 21s. 01:40:20.391 --> 01:40:21.972 That's Down syndrome, all right? 01:40:22.592 --> 01:40:28.055 So this unbalanced set of chromosomes aneuploid means not a euploid. 01:40:28.195 --> 01:40:30.576 It's not euploid, which means it's not balanced. 01:40:31.456 --> 01:40:32.497 Did I answer that for you? 01:40:33.017 --> 01:40:35.358 Yeah, so what is the significance of that then? 01:40:36.499 --> 01:40:36.659 Well, 01:40:38.424 --> 01:40:45.273 You know, I'm a cancer researcher, and I know a lot about this because cancer cells always are aneuploid. 01:40:45.313 --> 01:40:49.418 There's no such thing as a diploid cancer cell. 01:40:49.898 --> 01:40:50.619 Doesn't exist. 01:40:51.060 --> 01:40:54.724 In other words, all cancer cells have unbalanced chromosomes. 01:40:55.669 --> 01:40:57.590 And it's like shuffling a deck of cards. 01:40:58.591 --> 01:41:06.357 Whereas normal human cells always have the exact same composition of 23 and 23, 23 from the mother, 23 from the father. 01:41:06.957 --> 01:41:09.359 Cancer cells never have a balance set. 01:41:09.819 --> 01:41:14.783 And there's no two cancer cells that have the exact same complement of chromosomes. 01:41:15.043 --> 01:41:15.784 All of them are different. 01:41:15.804 --> 01:41:16.704 They're like snowflakes. 01:41:17.325 --> 01:41:19.907 You know them when you see them, but you never see the same one twice. 01:41:21.828 --> 01:41:22.048 Yeah. 01:41:22.088 --> 01:41:22.749 So if the, 01:41:24.318 --> 01:41:29.285 So if these things are aneuploid, which you ended up saying, what does that mean? 01:41:29.886 --> 01:41:31.568 Does that mean that they're disorganized or...? 01:41:31.588 --> 01:41:34.031 They're unbalanced. 01:41:34.332 --> 01:41:36.034 They're unbalanced. 01:41:37.035 --> 01:41:38.317 And what's the significance of that? 01:41:38.397 --> 01:41:39.158 That's what I'm trying to... 01:41:39.739 --> 01:41:46.825 Well, usually, if you're talking about higher organisms, like mammals, like we are, those cells typically die. 01:41:47.085 --> 01:41:51.548 If they get unbalanced, they might live a little while, but they're damaged cells. 01:41:51.789 --> 01:41:53.450 All aneuploid cells are damaged. 01:41:53.690 --> 01:41:54.711 None of them are supercells. 01:41:55.789 --> 01:41:58.311 So why would they use damaged cells, David? 01:42:01.192 --> 01:42:03.353 The aneuploid cells are very unstable. 01:42:03.413 --> 01:42:06.035 Whenever they divide, they rearrange their chromosomes. 01:42:06.075 --> 01:42:11.218 And at some point, they evolve to the point where they live in cell culture, for example, like the HeLa cells. 01:42:11.978 --> 01:42:14.880 The HeLa cells were first discovered in cell culture. 01:42:15.820 --> 01:42:18.562 And they can just grow forever in the laboratory. 01:42:19.355 --> 01:42:21.536 And cancer cells, and they can evolve. 01:42:21.896 --> 01:42:24.977 Normal cells do not evolve in cell culture. 01:42:25.377 --> 01:42:27.017 Aneuploid cells evolve. 01:42:27.097 --> 01:42:29.358 They evolve to become drug resistant. 01:42:30.519 --> 01:42:33.920 Most of them will die, but some of them will actually become drug resistant. 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.460 That's where drug resistance comes from in cancers. 01:42:37.021 --> 01:42:41.362 It comes from a certain population of these aneuploid cancer cells 01:42:41.989 --> 01:42:46.874 survive chemotherapy, radiation, whatever, and then they come back later when you stop it. 01:42:47.074 --> 01:42:48.055 That's where it comes from. 01:42:48.676 --> 01:42:51.719 So David, why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion? 01:42:52.762 --> 01:42:54.464 because you can get them commercially. 01:42:57.306 --> 01:43:00.329 It's the euploid cells that are very, very difficult to come by. 01:43:00.349 --> 01:43:02.431 I mean, take it the other way around. 01:43:02.711 --> 01:43:12.499 The euploid cells can only grow a limited amount of time in the cell culture, where aneuploid cells, you can grow them forever, basically. 01:43:12.519 --> 01:43:17.083 So all the research they're doing then is arguably invalid because the 01:43:18.086 --> 01:43:20.128 That's what I was trying to get out of you, David. 01:43:20.148 --> 01:43:21.890 That's exactly what I was trying to get out of you. 01:43:21.910 --> 01:43:34.161 99%, at least 99% of the published data using cell lines, they're aneuploid cell lines, and they have really basically nothing to do with reality. 01:43:34.662 --> 01:43:35.502 So it's fraud then? 01:43:36.844 --> 01:43:37.324 Well, no. 01:43:37.384 --> 01:43:40.847 Fraud implies that you consciously are trying to mislead. 01:43:41.789 --> 01:43:43.911 Well, maybe they are doing this stuff. 01:43:44.412 --> 01:43:46.434 We're going on a little bit too long on this. 01:43:46.514 --> 01:43:49.178 I mean, we're taking away from what I know. 01:43:49.218 --> 01:43:50.619 I mean, no, David, I'm just trying to. 01:43:52.505 --> 01:44:14.831 So in the public's mind, I'm just trying to get them to think about it, you know, so all the scientific work on cells is done with these aberrant cells, for lack of a better word, and so maybe all the conclusions that they get from these experiments, which are funded by NIH, I suppose, and they're all invalid and of no interest to humans. 01:44:16.785 --> 01:44:21.867 Why don't you guys invite me and I'll give a whole talk about this? 01:44:21.887 --> 01:44:23.148 I'd be happy to do it. 01:44:23.508 --> 01:44:26.249 Oh yes, can you remember what the topic is, though? 01:44:26.309 --> 01:44:27.510 Aneuploidy. 01:44:27.530 --> 01:44:29.451 You'll have to remind me. 01:44:30.251 --> 01:44:30.531 OK. 01:44:31.091 --> 01:44:33.853 So David, if you email me, that will remind me, OK? 01:44:35.733 --> 01:44:36.074 OK. 01:44:36.874 --> 01:44:37.134 Thanks. 01:44:37.174 --> 01:44:38.094 That's great. 01:44:38.735 --> 01:44:39.795 Sorry, everybody. 01:44:40.736 --> 01:44:41.096 No, it's OK. 01:44:43.191 --> 01:44:46.854 Otherwise we wouldn't have understood what Annie Broyd meant. 01:44:47.555 --> 01:44:48.375 Nobody would have understood. 01:44:48.435 --> 01:44:49.296 I thought it was just me. 01:44:51.038 --> 01:44:51.718 Okay, thank you. 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:52.579 Charles. 01:44:56.934 --> 01:44:57.535 Oh, Charles is gone. 01:44:57.875 --> 01:45:00.857 So Lars, it's your go, as far as I can see. 01:45:01.258 --> 01:45:02.198 Hello, Lars. 01:45:02.238 --> 01:45:02.999 Good to see you. 01:45:03.019 --> 01:45:04.821 Hi, good to see you. 01:45:04.881 --> 01:45:09.965 Your speech at G. Edward Griffin's Red Pill Expo was fantastic. 01:45:10.585 --> 01:45:13.568 And you have only accelerated from there. 01:45:14.128 --> 01:45:16.010 It's fascinating to follow you. 01:45:16.830 --> 01:45:20.954 I thought I would ask a question about... Sorry, Lars, whose speech was that? 01:45:21.034 --> 01:45:21.715 I'm so sorry. 01:45:22.856 --> 01:45:27.382 JJ gave a speech in South Dakota that was very, very good. 01:45:27.762 --> 01:45:28.763 Yeah. 01:45:28.903 --> 01:45:31.667 And he has improved every time since then. 01:45:31.727 --> 01:45:32.869 So yeah. 01:45:33.549 --> 01:45:37.034 Now, I thought I would ask questions about the inability of 01:45:38.175 --> 01:45:42.559 RNA to replicate and pandemic, but this is not the topic of the day. 01:45:42.639 --> 01:45:44.200 So I will ask you another question. 01:45:45.201 --> 01:46:05.739 Are you familiar with Professor Freeman Dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution, where he refers to a Japanese evolutionary biologist called Muto Kimura, who talks about not natural selection, but random genetic drift. 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:09.963 as being the engine of evolutionary change. 01:46:10.603 --> 01:46:11.184 Have you seen that? 01:46:11.264 --> 01:46:14.807 I'll put one... Please put a link in the chat. 01:46:14.827 --> 01:46:16.048 I am not familiar with it. 01:46:16.148 --> 01:46:20.492 Honestly, this is me, you know, just... It's actually very, very interesting. 01:46:20.572 --> 01:46:22.354 I don't understand it, but you will understand it. 01:46:22.774 --> 01:46:24.816 So I'll just put it in the chat. 01:46:24.836 --> 01:46:25.357 Yeah, I got it. 01:46:26.037 --> 01:46:35.045 That's a popular article, but if you follow Professor Kimura, you will read some very interesting stuff, actually. 01:46:35.306 --> 01:46:35.766 Very good. 01:46:36.226 --> 01:46:37.147 Oh, this is wonderful. 01:46:37.227 --> 01:46:37.608 Thank you. 01:46:39.049 --> 01:46:39.910 Oh, no. 01:46:40.430 --> 01:46:42.372 He's a colleague of Robert Oppenheimer. 01:46:42.512 --> 01:46:43.113 Oh, no. 01:46:43.133 --> 01:46:46.516 It's exactly the same group of men. 01:46:46.616 --> 01:46:47.577 It's fantastic. 01:46:47.637 --> 01:46:48.177 Well done. 01:46:48.357 --> 01:46:48.677 Okay. 01:46:49.414 --> 01:46:51.235 This is going to be a good piece of the puzzle. 01:46:51.295 --> 01:46:53.336 This is awesome. 01:46:53.597 --> 01:46:55.038 Have you got a question for JJ? 01:46:55.338 --> 01:47:10.828 Yeah, well, I would like to find the scientific proof or the suggestions why RNA cannot replicate to become pandemic. 01:47:11.108 --> 01:47:13.029 I just want the scientific papers. 01:47:13.249 --> 01:47:14.270 I can call you tomorrow. 01:47:14.890 --> 01:47:25.613 Well, let me flip it around for you and make sure that the link that I put in the chat with the YouTube video, when you're bored, watch that YouTube video. 01:47:25.653 --> 01:47:26.774 It's a really nice guy. 01:47:26.814 --> 01:47:29.594 He's a very popular dude, Adam Rutherford. 01:47:30.495 --> 01:47:34.916 And the first 25 minutes, you can listen to it even at double speed and really 01:47:40.111 --> 01:48:06.572 When you get to the point where he's explaining what DNA is, he's going to show you a cartoon of DNA replication and he's going to state very clearly that once they discovered the chemical composition and structure of DNA and have now demonstrated how it is copied, it is this incredibly high-fidelity process with a predictable level of error 01:48:08.206 --> 01:48:12.149 that has gotten us from the mud puddle billions of years later to us. 01:48:12.429 --> 01:48:29.862 And that, his reliant on the double-stranded structure and the consequences of the double-stranded existence of it, meaning it can be proofread, and single-stranded RNA by definition lacks that entirely. 01:48:31.109 --> 01:48:41.237 And so the whole foundation of the primacy of genes and DNA and Crick and Watson and all this stuff is based on the remarkable 01:48:42.386 --> 01:48:45.087 double-stranded nature of that molecule. 01:48:45.247 --> 01:48:50.348 And by definition, single-stranded, positive-strand RNA viruses lack this. 01:48:51.029 --> 01:49:01.852 And the only protein that they argue circumvents this huge shortcoming is a protein that only their drug remdesivir interacts with. 01:49:02.432 --> 01:49:03.412 It's not possible. 01:49:03.672 --> 01:49:05.473 It's absolutely not possible. 01:49:07.452 --> 01:49:21.702 But if you look at the consequences of DNA and how much effort has been put into making sure people understand how wonderful this double-stranded nature is, and all the wonderful consequences of it, including that you have no free will, 01:49:22.843 --> 01:49:23.844 RNA doesn't have that. 01:49:24.224 --> 01:49:26.385 So that's the main argument for me. 01:49:26.426 --> 01:49:31.689 But I can help with more specific things, maybe those papers, for example. 01:49:31.729 --> 01:49:43.316 If I call the leading professor at Karolinska Institute in Stockholm in microbiology and suggest what you just said to us, will he agree? 01:49:43.396 --> 01:49:44.497 Will he understand? 01:49:44.757 --> 01:49:45.378 Or will he 01:49:46.889 --> 01:49:49.912 I would be happy if you would get me a Zoom meeting with him and you and me. 01:49:49.932 --> 01:49:51.393 I would love to do that. 01:49:51.694 --> 01:49:53.015 Yeah, I mean really. 01:49:53.035 --> 01:49:54.617 That would be great. 01:49:55.197 --> 01:49:57.159 In fact, Lars, you could come and speak to us. 01:49:57.439 --> 01:50:01.583 Get JJ, the professor from Karolinska, and you, you can be the moderator. 01:50:02.024 --> 01:50:03.986 And we need to crack through this now. 01:50:04.506 --> 01:50:06.667 Yeah, we really do need to crash through this. 01:50:07.147 --> 01:50:08.188 You have the answers. 01:50:08.228 --> 01:50:12.250 We just need to break through in reality. 01:50:13.251 --> 01:50:14.791 A lot of people have the answers. 01:50:14.811 --> 01:50:23.256 There's a lot of biologists out there that would come to our rescue immediately and say more or less that I didn't say it as clever as that, but that's definitely what I think. 01:50:23.436 --> 01:50:25.597 And that would be wonderful, right? 01:50:25.637 --> 01:50:30.199 If these kinds of people would carry that flag forward for us, we'd really have something. 01:50:31.437 --> 01:50:35.141 So, Lars, can you set up a discussion like that and moderate it? 01:50:35.841 --> 01:50:38.384 I'll see if he's interested. 01:50:39.625 --> 01:50:40.285 Yeah, he will be. 01:50:41.006 --> 01:50:44.550 It could be that they know the truth and are scared. 01:50:45.090 --> 01:50:45.691 That could be. 01:50:46.331 --> 01:50:46.692 Oh, yes. 01:50:46.912 --> 01:50:49.154 Well, ask him nicely then, Lars. 01:50:49.694 --> 01:50:50.455 Go and see him. 01:50:52.117 --> 01:50:52.957 I tried to be nice. 01:50:53.898 --> 01:50:54.819 Thank you, JJ. 01:50:54.939 --> 01:50:55.680 You're very welcome. 01:50:59.975 --> 01:51:00.495 Very good. 01:51:00.715 --> 01:51:01.275 Thanks, Lars. 01:51:01.616 --> 01:51:04.617 Jenna? 01:51:04.677 --> 01:51:08.498 Yeah, just a couple of comments and a question. 01:51:08.598 --> 01:51:19.841 So one comment goes back to the theory of evolution, and I just wanted to mention that there's a UK doctor, I think he's a GP, called James Le Fanu. 01:51:20.522 --> 01:51:27.684 He wrote a book entitled Why Us in 2009, in which he explains that the survival of the fittest 01:51:28.562 --> 01:51:37.091 evolution theory is only unproven, and he gives examples where there are no intermediate forms that confer a survival advantage. 01:51:37.131 --> 01:51:45.120 So, for example, there is no intermediate stage between quadrupedal and bipedal that confers a survival advantage. 01:51:46.461 --> 01:51:50.165 So that breaks the link, really, between animals and humans. 01:51:52.696 --> 01:51:54.798 Can you say the last name again? 01:51:54.878 --> 01:52:05.327 James Le Fanu, L-E-F-A-N-U, James Le Fanu. 01:52:05.347 --> 01:52:14.055 And he talks about there being no intermediate stages in the development of the eye, which confers a survival advantage as well. 01:52:14.978 --> 01:52:27.386 It's very funny, because yes, there's another guy who made that argument, and actually when I was a freshman in college, on the very first lecture at DePaul University, I can still remember, his name is Beck. 01:52:27.566 --> 01:52:30.848 I can't remember his first name, but he was the dean of the biology department. 01:52:31.548 --> 01:52:43.494 and he was telling us about evolution, and I said, I just want, I'm not asking this, I even framed it perfectly, I said, I'm not asking this as a gotcha moment, I'm asking you to help me have a good answer for this. 01:52:44.015 --> 01:52:50.618 But what about the lack of intermediate, like, usefulness of the eye, and how many times vision has evolved? 01:52:51.238 --> 01:52:53.800 And he stuttered and stammered and 01:52:54.580 --> 01:52:57.682 It was one of the most like, oh, darn, I didn't mean to hurt you. 01:52:57.862 --> 01:53:07.507 Like, I really thought it was I was being the right kind of smart kid, you know, like, hey, I get this question a lot from people and I really want to be able to answer it. 01:53:07.547 --> 01:53:09.468 And he couldn't give it a very good. 01:53:09.968 --> 01:53:11.149 He was not prepared for that. 01:53:11.169 --> 01:53:11.909 It was really funny. 01:53:11.970 --> 01:53:15.431 So I'm happy that you mentioned I haven't heard the book, but I'll get it. 01:53:16.172 --> 01:53:17.192 Yeah. 01:53:17.252 --> 01:53:18.173 My question is, 01:53:19.116 --> 01:53:29.480 If there aren't enough genes to explain the entire construction of the human body, in other words, how the proteins are actually put together, what is junk DNA? 01:53:29.881 --> 01:53:33.022 Is it still a concept and is its function still a mystery? 01:53:34.040 --> 01:53:36.382 I mean, I absolutely think that's probably the case. 01:53:36.422 --> 01:53:47.310 The other thing to consider is the idea that the code could be somehow unimaginably layered to us. 01:53:48.471 --> 01:53:50.232 Sorry, layered but invisible to us. 01:53:51.513 --> 01:54:00.940 Um, you know, not that dissimilar to how people say that, you know, if you read a book and you only circle the certain number of letters, then you can see another message. 01:54:01.020 --> 01:54:07.805 Or if you, if you use the, if you add up all the numbers across the line and did this, then you can find another message. 01:54:08.566 --> 01:54:12.469 Um, it is not entirely ridiculous. 01:54:12.529 --> 01:54:20.414 And I don't, I don't necessarily disbelieve the idea that, that within the nucleus they were able to identify. 01:54:21.355 --> 01:54:31.943 molecules of DNA that seem to correspond to sequences that maybe can be related to proteins, and that central dogma in some way exists. 01:54:32.763 --> 01:54:36.526 I'm not arguing that in some ways that's not true. 01:54:37.186 --> 01:54:49.014 What I am suggesting is that that is wholly insufficient for us to jump from that, those limited observations, and those limited chemical preparations, and those limited 01:54:49.795 --> 01:55:10.752 you know, hyper-pure genetic signals, or whatever system that we're looking in, to use that to generalize that, well, it's just a matter of figuring out where all the other moving parts are, and then basically free will will be eliminated, and there's no need to talk about God or spirituality, because we're just a bunch of spinning wheels and bubbling chemicals. 01:55:10.812 --> 01:55:17.357 And that's the part that I think I was trapped in a lot of my 01:55:18.522 --> 01:55:25.806 my colleagues are still trapped in because we all took the same lessons from the same people who already were trapped in it. 01:55:26.026 --> 01:55:36.212 None of my biology teachers were aware of these shortcomings, but instead were given just enough understanding so that their imagination would happily fill in all the blanks. 01:55:36.992 --> 01:55:38.793 And that's what's very enticing about it. 01:55:39.284 --> 01:55:40.705 What is junk DNA then? 01:55:40.945 --> 01:55:43.646 If there isn't- Well, I think it's just a bad name for it. 01:55:44.847 --> 01:55:53.072 If you had a Chinese book and you only knew five characters and you said that all the other characters were junk characters, that wouldn't be a very adequate way to describe it, right? 01:55:53.092 --> 01:55:53.712 Okay. 01:55:53.852 --> 01:55:55.513 And I think that's the way to think about it. 01:55:55.553 --> 01:56:08.300 Just because it's repeated, and so repeats to us seem to mean nothing or something like that, doesn't mean that when it's folded on itself and read in a different way, that it wouldn't reveal a third dimensional structure of code 01:56:08.900 --> 01:56:14.381 any other possibilities that we haven't considered that go beyond this list of characters, right? 01:56:14.601 --> 01:56:15.141 Yeah, yeah. 01:56:15.422 --> 01:56:27.084 And just the third thing I wanted to mention, I was pleased that you mentioned the issue of circumcision because I was involved in researching to this quite a few years ago. 01:56:27.104 --> 01:56:34.906 And these babies in America in particular are circumcised shortly after birth without anesthetic. 01:56:36.139 --> 01:56:45.665 And even though they were very tiny, a number of these babies actually, when they grow up, they actually have post-traumatic stress disorder. 01:56:45.705 --> 01:56:48.347 And I did a research project on this. 01:56:48.907 --> 01:57:01.916 And these people who have been circumcised, which is basically the equivalent of a sexual assault in a very undefended human being, can lead to severe psychological damage. 01:57:02.356 --> 01:57:02.976 And there are some 01:57:04.212 --> 01:57:20.861 people within this anti-circumcision movement who are actually suggesting that the psychological damage which is done to babies actually prepares males in America to serve in the military because they are sufficiently disengaged from their 01:57:21.328 --> 01:57:22.349 their own emotions. 01:57:22.710 --> 01:57:25.354 I just wanted to say thank you for mentioning that. 01:57:25.414 --> 01:57:27.757 I would love it if you would send me an email or something. 01:57:27.777 --> 01:57:37.770 I would love to talk to you more about it because it is one of those things that I think, especially as you said in America, there are lots of men 01:57:38.601 --> 01:57:43.869 who could think deeply about their circumstances. 01:57:44.189 --> 01:57:52.622 When that happens, on the other hand, you don't know any different, and so you're not aware, number one, of whatever potential 01:57:54.423 --> 01:57:58.544 sort of psychological effects would be there, but you're also not aware of the context. 01:57:58.584 --> 01:58:12.448 And that's why I brought up that context of my friend in the Netherlands, because the ceremonial removal of some foreskin is very different to what they do to those babies where they remove it all. 01:58:13.568 --> 01:58:17.149 There are a lot of kids that have scars from this, because you're not just 01:58:20.530 --> 01:58:28.676 Again, I don't want to be too graphic, but they're two very different amounts of tissue that are removed and what parts are left. 01:58:29.336 --> 01:58:37.122 A full circumcision of the foreskin removes 50% of the penile skin and most people would say, oh that's ridiculous, but it is actually true. 01:58:37.302 --> 01:58:38.203 Absolutely true. 01:58:38.343 --> 01:58:43.385 I know for sure it's true simply because I grew up with kids of both conditions. 01:58:43.665 --> 01:58:46.427 And so it's burnt into my head. 01:58:46.487 --> 01:58:48.888 I have years of showering with these kids. 01:58:48.968 --> 01:58:51.449 So I know the difference, definitely. 01:58:51.469 --> 01:59:02.995 And there's a book by a chap called Jim Bigelow called The Joy of Uncircumcising, where men who want to restore their foreskins can do so. 01:59:03.715 --> 01:59:05.616 And it's brought a lot of relief to a lot of men. 01:59:06.286 --> 01:59:08.848 So, oh, I've never heard of that before. 01:59:08.908 --> 01:59:09.669 That's crazy. 01:59:10.209 --> 01:59:10.549 Wow. 01:59:10.710 --> 01:59:11.050 OK. 01:59:11.090 --> 01:59:27.563 Well, again, like I said, this is just something that in terms of especially America, I think there's a huge awakening that could take place because there's nothing other than malevolence that can be attributed to that, especially when you realize that there was a whole industry of medical remnants that has not gone away. 01:59:27.623 --> 01:59:29.424 It's just gotten better and better in America. 01:59:30.125 --> 01:59:30.325 Yeah. 01:59:30.625 --> 01:59:32.106 And what is your email address? 01:59:33.211 --> 01:59:34.372 I'll put it in the chat right now. 01:59:34.992 --> 01:59:35.392 Thank you. 01:59:36.033 --> 01:59:38.254 So JJ, Janet's a British doctor. 01:59:39.334 --> 01:59:39.654 Nice. 01:59:39.995 --> 01:59:41.335 I'm very excited to meet you. 01:59:42.476 --> 01:59:43.437 And likewise. 01:59:44.057 --> 01:59:44.557 There you go. 01:59:44.697 --> 01:59:46.118 I think, whoops, did I do that? 01:59:46.218 --> 01:59:46.718 No, I didn't. 01:59:46.818 --> 01:59:48.179 What the hell just happened there? 01:59:50.901 --> 02:00:00.966 And she helped with David Kelly, but also worked on doctors for Assange as well. 02:00:08.208 --> 02:00:09.069 so she understands. 02:00:13.372 --> 02:00:14.653 Oh, Tom, are you next? 02:00:15.034 --> 02:00:16.355 I think Tom's next, yep. 02:00:16.375 --> 02:00:17.596 Yeah, I can go. 02:00:19.197 --> 02:00:20.358 Yeah, thanks as usual. 02:00:20.478 --> 02:00:34.549 Part of this, I think your teaching is so valuable, and so I'm not directly addressing the, it seems almost philosophical or metaphysical issue of free will and the watch, that we're just some sort of wind-up watch. 02:00:35.010 --> 02:00:37.592 Made by a blind watchmaker. 02:00:38.392 --> 02:00:39.417 Oh, okay. 02:00:41.696 --> 02:00:42.016 All right. 02:00:42.136 --> 02:00:48.661 So, so, uh, yeah, a few things and I'm not really good at doing this, but I want to just kind of shotgun through here. 02:00:48.681 --> 02:01:05.093 So, uh, and maybe if you want, if you'd allow me to do a few things, maybe if you want to interrupt and just answer, uh, endocytosis that was introduced recently to me in a meeting, it just seemed like a good term. 02:01:05.154 --> 02:01:07.775 Cause we need to like tell stories to people that. 02:01:09.498 --> 02:01:18.731 that are uninformed and I think that's part of transfection and maybe you could hit on that. 02:01:19.192 --> 02:01:19.933 The other one is 02:01:21.576 --> 02:01:32.764 I heard, now some of this is coming out of the Doctors for COVID Ethics meeting, the process of self-replicating DNA, the Japanese jabs. 02:01:33.405 --> 02:01:41.411 And I heard someone in that meeting describing that as a process that only replicates the DNA and does not replicate any proteins. 02:01:42.091 --> 02:01:44.713 I don't know if you, so that's something to comment on. 02:01:45.354 --> 02:01:49.156 Oh, and then Michael Palmer speculated 02:01:50.157 --> 02:02:06.868 about the formation of the casts in the you know the long stringy material they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial 02:02:10.390 --> 02:02:19.497 There was a woman that was doing the presentation and her name is Anna S. Ulreich. 02:02:20.418 --> 02:02:24.000 I believe Martina, who's here, also watched this. 02:02:25.061 --> 02:02:45.467 and she she agreed that that might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i mentioned the name but anna um mahalsia who believes that there's um blinky lights and nanobots and emf and 02:02:46.287 --> 02:03:11.687 intra-body communication between the nanopods and oh wow yeah okay that's a good one um yeah well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead look back and say that professor uh anna all right said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented and then after this everyone yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it 02:03:13.308 --> 02:03:22.415 Endocytosis is a pretty general word for when two membranes merge and so it oftentimes refers to when a smaller vesicle is taken up by a cell. 02:03:23.876 --> 02:03:29.221 In the use of a lipid nanoparticle in transfection, you're going to have what is endocytosis of the 02:03:29.981 --> 02:03:31.361 of the lipid nanoparticles. 02:03:31.581 --> 02:03:41.564 Also, I think you could describe the uptake of a adenovirus particle as endocytosis, although maybe there are people who would argue with that. 02:03:42.184 --> 02:03:44.404 I don't think it's a very specific term. 02:03:44.444 --> 02:03:46.305 I think it can be broadly applied. 02:03:47.785 --> 02:03:50.526 Self-replicating RNA is... DNA. 02:03:52.265 --> 02:03:56.589 Sorry, but the mRNA is actually what they're doing in Japan. 02:03:56.629 --> 02:03:59.051 I don't think it's... Oh, okay. 02:03:59.271 --> 02:03:59.591 All right. 02:04:00.092 --> 02:04:05.537 And so the self-replicating RNA is actually, as far as we can discern, they're using a viral 02:04:09.830 --> 02:04:11.631 RNA-dependent RNA polymerase. 02:04:11.972 --> 02:04:15.935 And I can't remember off the top of my head what one it is, but I know that it's in the paper. 02:04:15.975 --> 02:04:23.040 You can see they did just take it from some pathogen that has an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase. 02:04:23.060 --> 02:04:30.685 And then they're putting that in the same mRNA construct as the antigen RNA. 02:04:30.725 --> 02:04:36.489 And then their argument is that they would have to give you less lipid nanoparticle and less 02:04:37.540 --> 02:04:43.682 chemically altered mRNA because this chemically altered RNA will replicate itself. 02:04:43.762 --> 02:05:02.149 Now, that's an interesting claim and it's an interesting differentiation between the two mechanisms because remember, the reason why we had to make it M1 pseudouridine was to prevent the immune system from reacting to it and the immune system ignores it. 02:05:02.370 --> 02:05:05.631 But if you take a mRNA 02:05:06.953 --> 02:05:21.210 and it's self-replicating, then by definition it's going to self-replicate itself not in the presence of the chemical reaction that would alter it into the M1 pseudouridine RNA, which would mean that then 02:05:21.986 --> 02:05:27.629 you're making a non-protected or non-chemically altered RNA, which won't go through. 02:05:27.649 --> 02:05:46.719 And see, here's the problem that I just see when I think about it, that if they tell you that the first one worked for X, Y, and Z, then this one won't work for that reason, because it can't be chemically altered, because it will be made in your body using your own 02:05:47.539 --> 02:05:58.543 your own nucleotides, which are not going to be chemically altered, whereas the one that they put in the original shot or whatever, supposedly all of the uracils were chemically altered. 02:05:59.123 --> 02:06:12.387 So the self-replicating mRNA presents a whole other set of problems that actually were in the original version of this that Robert Malone said all those years ago didn't really work out for him because the immune response was too strong. 02:06:13.007 --> 02:06:25.256 So the self-replicating RNA thing is quite frustrating to me, because again, people got on the internet saying that, oh, they're releasing this, and now there's going to be a new RNA spreading around, and so you better stay away from those people. 02:06:25.997 --> 02:06:33.002 And I think it's probably a gross over-exaggeration of even the potential 02:06:34.431 --> 02:06:43.435 best-case scenario of joining an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase to another transcript and then thinking that that was going to somehow work out. 02:06:44.535 --> 02:06:51.378 If anything, to me, quite honestly, I would say, Tom, that this almost seems to edify the idea that 02:06:52.910 --> 02:07:20.583 They have known that there are self-replicating RNA signals that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our conspecific groups or in our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other, you know, maybe what appear to be contagions, but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous. 02:07:21.543 --> 02:07:28.005 And so we're at a stage now where they have always been trying to play with this system. 02:07:28.625 --> 02:07:32.427 And so in playing with this system, they've told us stories like AIDS. 02:07:32.807 --> 02:07:35.168 They've told us stories like chronic fatigue syndrome. 02:07:35.188 --> 02:07:38.429 They've told us stories like Epstein-Barr virus. 02:07:38.469 --> 02:07:50.593 And they've told us stories like coronavirus, the pandemic, all to disguise this almost endless field of packet genetic communication that they know has to do with 02:07:51.133 --> 02:07:58.904 with health and evolution and disease and sickness and conspecific signaling. 02:07:58.924 --> 02:08:03.710 They probably even know it has to do with whether you are attracted to your mate and enjoy kissing her. 02:08:03.810 --> 02:08:08.317 So for me, the issue is that confusion 02:08:09.508 --> 02:08:17.374 and the implication that they have already developed these high-fidelity molecular tools that they can make and use on people. 02:08:17.874 --> 02:08:31.204 And so the more they get people riled up about a self-replicating RNA that's going to spread from Japan if we let airplanes fly, the more that people buy into this idea that these molecular tools work in this high-fidelity way. 02:08:31.244 --> 02:08:36.628 And so I have to believe that this is almost exclusively exaggeration, and that's why 02:08:38.991 --> 02:08:46.174 You know, the details of it and the discussion of it is not really framed in what I feel like is any different than gain-of-function viruses. 02:08:46.974 --> 02:08:50.015 So Michael Palmer's saying it's an irritation of the endothelium. 02:08:51.075 --> 02:09:01.359 I don't think there's anything wrong with that, again, because we don't know really what these lipid nanoparticles are really going to do, especially after their pH changes and they become much more toxic. 02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:04.901 And it's very likely that this is a possibility. 02:09:04.961 --> 02:09:08.122 But again, I don't think there's any reason to 02:09:09.102 --> 02:09:23.806 speculate too much about it simply because what they've told us that it's COVID or that it's the spike protein or whatever, it can't be the case relative to just, you know, a general effect of transfecting the endothelium. 02:09:23.966 --> 02:09:33.008 And transfecting the endothelium will have all kinds of terrible consequences and maybe one of them is a activation of the clotting mechanism. 02:09:33.048 --> 02:09:35.749 Remember that, in case you have forgotten, 02:09:37.443 --> 02:09:45.440 The transfection agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic, one of the the. 02:09:47.148 --> 02:09:52.451 The overarching themes was that where they went was then where they meant them to go. 02:09:52.951 --> 02:09:58.354 So when lipid nanoparticles first came out and they started using them, they realized that almost all of them went to the liver. 02:09:58.454 --> 02:10:06.558 So the first thing they said was, hey, these are liver targeting lipid nanoparticles, even though it had nothing to do with targeting the liver, it's just where they mostly went. 02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:12.922 And another place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets. 02:10:14.063 --> 02:10:27.655 lipid nanoparticles go to platelets for some reason and many of them do and so that could also be a cell type that's irritated here and of course platelets being irritated would very quickly get you to the clotting mechanism. 02:10:27.695 --> 02:10:33.160 So I think Sukrit Bhakti would be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady 02:10:33.860 --> 02:10:45.421 drove me bananas in the same way that a guy by the name of Kevin McCairn, who also put a bunch of stuff under a light microscope and then said he found or didn't find things. 02:10:47.580 --> 02:11:01.365 The first and foremost thing to remember about light microscopy is that if you don't know how they did it, the chances of them seeing something that is significant versus something that's random, it's almost always going to be something random. 02:11:01.925 --> 02:11:08.228 Light microscopy can make dust look interesting, it can make dirt look interesting, it can make dirt look alive. 02:11:09.088 --> 02:11:23.148 and it can make dirt look sparkly, especially if the field of view is adjusted in such a way that things are coming in and out of the field of view, and the light source is angled in such a way that things can move in and out of the light source, you can have things look like they're sparkling. 02:11:23.328 --> 02:11:25.190 I was just absolutely livid 02:11:25.771 --> 02:11:33.553 when I heard that lady say on a CHD video that this is blue light sparkling in this sample, but she had a backlight on. 02:11:33.973 --> 02:11:40.394 It's like, if there's blue light being generated here, please turn off all the external illumination and show me it's blue light. 02:11:41.694 --> 02:11:43.375 And this is just the very beginning of it. 02:11:43.435 --> 02:11:52.977 So for me, if they're not using anything but light microscopy, and they haven't been using light microscopy for many, many, many years, 02:11:54.137 --> 02:11:55.699 then it's most likely bullshit. 02:11:55.799 --> 02:11:56.759 I'm sorry, but it is. 02:11:57.880 --> 02:12:03.385 And I think that lady was very much not looking at what she said she was looking at. 02:12:03.485 --> 02:12:08.089 And I don't know anything about the signals. 02:12:08.329 --> 02:12:11.632 Some people are purporting that there's some kind of code that comes out of these things. 02:12:11.652 --> 02:12:13.973 I don't know what they call it anymore, but I don't know. 02:12:14.053 --> 02:12:15.014 MAC address. 02:12:15.615 --> 02:12:16.976 Yeah, MAC address, that's right. 02:12:18.161 --> 02:12:22.744 So two more things, well, maybe a couple of statements and you can contradict them if they're wrong. 02:12:22.784 --> 02:12:35.172 So in the meeting, Ernst, who's a German scientist, he had done, I think, Raman mass spectroscopy on vials, on the JAB vials, a couple of years ago. 02:12:36.032 --> 02:12:50.878 And he chimed in and he suggested that some of the discovery of graphene may be an artifact, that they actually created the graphene in the process of looking at the vials by mistake. 02:12:52.638 --> 02:12:59.181 And so he says, no graphene, and so does the professor Ulreich. 02:13:00.562 --> 02:13:26.559 And then just test me on this my understanding of the nanolipid particles is that each molecule in the Each molecule is on the order of 2,000 atomic weight, you know, like on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules Have dipoles and they get vibrated and then they self assemble into the larger 02:13:27.830 --> 02:13:33.416 50 to nanometer Nanolipid particles and interleaved in there now. 02:13:33.656 --> 02:13:40.283 I I heard it was in some cases I heard multiple strands of mRNA and other cases. 02:13:40.363 --> 02:13:46.089 I just heard one I don't know so there's that and then here's a thought experiment. 02:13:46.169 --> 02:13:48.091 Let's say you did let's say it was 2017 and 02:13:49.773 --> 02:13:53.595 And you had a lateral flow test that you got from the grocery store. 02:13:54.175 --> 02:14:02.338 Would the background interactions in the population generate any positives? 02:14:02.678 --> 02:14:03.539 That's what I think. 02:14:03.719 --> 02:14:05.580 I think that's definitely what would happen. 02:14:06.180 --> 02:14:08.341 Obviously, we can't go back in time and do it. 02:14:09.977 --> 02:14:20.283 But yeah, that's, that would be my premise that, that the, that the PCR test wasn't, and it could have been, again, I really think that you can't underestimate the malevolence here. 02:14:20.343 --> 02:14:28.328 So there could have been a couple of tests that were fairly accurate for some known background signal and then a bunch of tests that were absolutely nonsense. 02:14:29.408 --> 02:14:33.631 Um, but even the lateral flow, the grocery store test, not the PCR. 02:14:34.431 --> 02:14:34.692 Yeah. 02:14:34.732 --> 02:14:35.932 The lateral flow test too. 02:14:35.992 --> 02:14:37.413 I mean, how do, how do we know, um, 02:14:41.028 --> 02:14:48.454 How do we know that they're not testing for an endogenous protein? 02:14:49.315 --> 02:14:53.339 Because again, when you buy one of those tests, you're trusting everything about it. 02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:59.223 And so the assumption that everything, here's another example. 02:14:59.303 --> 02:15:02.166 So my friend lives in, I don't know, 02:15:03.763 --> 02:15:21.696 in Australia and he just moved house and in moving house he found a whole box full of these lateral flow tests that were being given out by the case to every family in Australia so that students could test for before school. 02:15:22.831 --> 02:15:25.714 And all of these tests were manufactured in China. 02:15:26.275 --> 02:15:26.695 All of them. 02:15:27.356 --> 02:15:30.579 And he sent me a picture and I couldn't believe it. 02:15:30.619 --> 02:15:42.732 There were like six different ones, and they came from two different places in China, and the Australian government was buying hundreds of millions of these tests that were being produced in China. 02:15:43.809 --> 02:16:00.926 And so for me, it becomes almost too easy for this to have been gamed in such a way on a known background, so that any cursory investigation into the molecular fidelity would not reveal anything untoward. 02:16:01.787 --> 02:16:17.543 And now they can easily be having an Abbott test with 17 targets that, again, are part of a background that may or may not be there and definitely doesn't need to correlate with symptomology for it to be something that all hospitals will buy and use as standard. 02:16:20.586 --> 02:16:23.549 I don't have a lot of answers anymore other than I don't know. 02:16:24.904 --> 02:16:26.965 I just know that they're probably lying about this. 02:16:27.766 --> 02:16:30.247 If it's a high-fidelity yes-or-no answer. 02:16:32.668 --> 02:16:34.249 I know that's not very satisfying. 02:16:37.371 --> 02:16:37.931 Thanks again. 02:16:38.411 --> 02:16:39.292 Are you happy with that, Tom? 02:16:39.512 --> 02:16:39.692 Yeah. 02:16:41.133 --> 02:16:41.953 Very good. 02:16:42.894 --> 02:16:46.876 Well, Craig Pardecouper had his hand up, but I'm not even sure he's on the call now. 02:16:51.075 --> 02:17:04.521 Yeah, so one of the things that was really impressed on us as children at school, JJ, was the discovery by Watson and Crick of the double helix and the structure of DNA 02:17:08.498 --> 02:17:27.888 And now, in the context of what's happened in the last five years, I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder why that assumes such incredible... You should really look, if you chase down anything, what you ought to do is chase down the writings of Watson in his later life, because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it. 02:17:28.735 --> 02:17:29.656 like he regrets it. 02:17:30.196 --> 02:17:31.837 Watson, in particular, I found. 02:17:31.897 --> 02:17:33.918 I don't have anything available. 02:17:34.779 --> 02:17:36.560 It's in a different notebook. 02:17:36.760 --> 02:17:52.150 My question to you is, JJ, was the discovery or the science that they determined the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA, 02:17:54.858 --> 02:18:05.793 If it was a psyop, the whole thing about DNA, the discovery of this, what do you think their intention was in the future? 02:18:05.813 --> 02:18:09.138 Do you think that there were motives for this? 02:18:09.218 --> 02:18:11.641 Why was it so important in our education? 02:18:11.761 --> 02:18:16.466 No, I think it's much more about the fact that at the time they didn't know what they were doing. 02:18:16.526 --> 02:18:18.588 They didn't know how complex it would be. 02:18:18.668 --> 02:18:27.496 And so at the time, given the state of mind that they were in, it was very enticing for that to be the ultimate answer and then to go with it. 02:18:28.597 --> 02:18:35.042 Only 20 or 30 years later would somebody like Watson realize that, wow, that was a mistake, and look at what we've done. 02:18:35.362 --> 02:18:36.383 But why would he think that? 02:18:36.683 --> 02:18:46.530 Just explain to the people watching why Watson might think that this was a mistake and that this was going to be misused, maybe. 02:18:46.870 --> 02:18:48.591 Was that his fear or what? 02:18:49.912 --> 02:18:56.577 Yeah, well, I think what it did was that it unfortunately gives credence to the idea that 02:18:58.446 --> 02:19:01.463 Maybe we need to be governed this way, that we need to be bred. 02:19:02.709 --> 02:19:04.951 and that it's worthwhile to do that. 02:19:05.712 --> 02:19:16.701 And that I think is what he may have regretted most because if that indeed, that foundation isn't so simple, then that argument doesn't hold water, right? 02:19:16.761 --> 02:19:28.771 I mean, maybe there is a combination of genes that we haven't reached yet and we'll never reach if we don't continue on the path we're on, but instead try to breed the best human that we can come up with. 02:19:29.993 --> 02:19:35.596 So do you think that Watson was trying to do his best to establish the truth? 02:19:37.317 --> 02:19:40.419 I think he was trying to slow that train down. 02:19:40.439 --> 02:19:50.144 I don't think anybody could stop it at that point because it had so much pent-up momentum from the assumption that they would find that piece. 02:19:51.846 --> 02:19:57.129 So I still haven't quite understood, JJ, what you think Watson was upset about. 02:19:57.269 --> 02:19:59.731 What exactly was he afraid of? 02:20:00.151 --> 02:20:12.859 Well, this idea that what I think Schrodinger is also hinting at, that all they had to do was find justification. 02:20:13.854 --> 02:20:20.879 to think that life boils down to physics and chemistry, and this was the justification that they needed. 02:20:21.400 --> 02:20:27.424 And Watson doesn't think it's sufficient to make that jump, that now we're just physics and chemistry and there's no free will. 02:20:27.484 --> 02:20:33.149 That's a very terrifying place to be, especially in that time when that was putting 02:20:33.889 --> 02:20:37.152 really on the spot about whether or not faith was real. 02:20:37.332 --> 02:20:44.077 I grew up in a world where it was okay not to care about God and I was weird because I was Catholic. 02:20:44.197 --> 02:20:48.241 So Watson was upset that his research with Prick was going to lead to some people 02:20:55.026 --> 02:20:59.909 saying that life was just about chemistry and physics and nothing to do with God, is that what you're saying? 02:21:00.149 --> 02:21:18.119 I am saying that and I'm saying that there were people in the Catholic Church who were waiting to say it, that wanted to say it, that essentially we had not reached the final divine form of humankind and that this was the revelation we needed. 02:21:18.139 --> 02:21:20.741 So why would people in the Catholic Church be saying that? 02:21:21.994 --> 02:21:22.734 Well, I don't know. 02:21:22.814 --> 02:21:24.195 Maybe they're not really Catholics. 02:21:24.255 --> 02:21:24.956 They're Jesuits. 02:21:24.996 --> 02:21:25.916 They're all Jesuits. 02:21:26.036 --> 02:21:38.083 So I guess if you want to go down that path, that's really one of the things to realize, is that all the Catholics that think this are Jesuits, for better or for worse, that's it. 02:21:38.323 --> 02:21:41.344 This is the King Jesuit, this Desjardins guy. 02:21:42.785 --> 02:21:43.806 He's wrote in a lot of books. 02:21:43.946 --> 02:21:45.487 One of them is called The Future of Man. 02:21:45.667 --> 02:21:46.207 Go figure. 02:21:48.809 --> 02:21:51.170 Yeah, so did Watson ever give them 02:21:52.987 --> 02:21:58.692 reason for us to believe that what they found, he didn't believe it himself? 02:21:59.413 --> 02:22:03.016 Or were they misrepresented and they knew that they were misrepresented? 02:22:04.177 --> 02:22:05.478 Yeah, I think so. 02:22:05.558 --> 02:22:06.919 I mean, that's what I gather. 02:22:06.939 --> 02:22:11.103 There's not very much to find because I don't think people want you to know how skeptical he was. 02:22:13.846 --> 02:22:16.147 I mean, again, I agree a lot with Dave. 02:22:16.167 --> 02:22:24.549 There could be a library of proteins in a cell that has no other information in it. 02:22:25.109 --> 02:22:36.712 And that's why, because we share a lot of the proteins, then a lot of the signals that we can detect there, if we amplify it high enough, are shared. 02:22:38.052 --> 02:22:51.156 That's not crazy to me, but it still is only a snapshot of now, and we have no snapshots that would allow us to justify the thinking that we came from a mud puddle. 02:22:51.236 --> 02:22:51.476 None. 02:22:53.677 --> 02:23:04.280 So essentially, Watson was worrying that human beings would, without justification, get more power and believe in their 02:23:06.238 --> 02:23:09.000 in their importance more at the expense of God. 02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:09.600 Is that correct? 02:23:10.821 --> 02:23:13.363 Maybe, or maybe people could be governed that way. 02:23:13.783 --> 02:23:31.215 I think that for sure something happened over the course of the Enlightenment and whatever, where people turned inward and outward in exactly the right way so that 02:23:33.223 --> 02:23:34.824 that we made a lot of progress. 02:23:34.884 --> 02:23:46.410 And that progress has been, I think, significantly hampered and stalled and maybe even misdirected by the trends in biology in the last couple generations. 02:23:46.950 --> 02:23:58.736 So the reason they were emphasizing the importance of the work of Watson and Crick in the United Kingdom when I was a child, that was all about taking people away from 02:24:01.490 --> 02:24:02.290 God, essentially. 02:24:02.310 --> 02:24:11.055 And so leading people to believe that science is fantastic. 02:24:11.395 --> 02:24:19.920 I mean, if you read this book, there is no way to read or hear anything other than the joy that 02:24:23.897 --> 02:24:26.038 God is really hands-off. 02:24:26.518 --> 02:24:32.980 It's a process that God put in motion, and since then has just been watching from the sidelines. 02:24:33.040 --> 02:24:36.501 And so the moment we decide to take the wheel and drive the car, we can. 02:24:37.102 --> 02:24:40.243 That's the argument that this guy has been making since the 30s, that 02:24:41.403 --> 02:24:54.485 Then Julian Huxley published and then Julian Huxley went on to write this man and his future book like 10 years later with people like Hilary Koprowski and Herman Muller and all the same ideas are in there. 02:24:54.525 --> 02:25:05.327 It's all the same concept of determinist biology that goes right down to the individual molecules and so we just, you know, people are not people. 02:25:06.107 --> 02:25:08.428 And then Aldous Huxley comes along and writes 02:25:09.278 --> 02:25:11.599 Brave New World, which is his brother, right? 02:25:11.619 --> 02:25:12.659 That's Julian's brother. 02:25:12.699 --> 02:25:13.479 I mean, it's correct. 02:25:14.099 --> 02:25:20.441 And then he also writes Brave New World Revisited, about 30 years after the publication of Brave New World. 02:25:21.841 --> 02:25:27.102 So the question is, did Aldous Huxley write that then, in the 30s I think it was? 02:25:28.823 --> 02:25:33.884 Was it intended in his mind to be a warning, or was it intended to be a playbook? 02:25:35.390 --> 02:25:37.331 No, I think it was a warning, I honestly do. 02:25:37.411 --> 02:25:44.633 I think that maybe if we rise to the challenge, there's nothing wrong with that, right? 02:25:44.773 --> 02:25:53.936 Then I think humanity rising to this challenge and throwing these chains off would also be in the best interest of our species. 02:25:53.996 --> 02:25:57.257 So either way, I think we better keep fighting. 02:25:57.941 --> 02:26:01.663 Yeah, so anybody else who wants to ask any deep questions? 02:26:01.723 --> 02:26:08.127 I am not very good at this, but I'm sure Dave Collum and Lars Johansson have questions they'd like to ask. 02:26:10.969 --> 02:26:11.790 I've been listening. 02:26:12.670 --> 02:26:13.391 I've been listening. 02:26:14.631 --> 02:26:16.072 Dave, have you got any thoughts on this? 02:26:17.653 --> 02:26:18.854 Well, it's interesting. 02:26:18.874 --> 02:26:22.216 I can entertain anything, so it's all interesting to me. 02:26:24.037 --> 02:26:26.158 I've had several thoughts as we went along. 02:26:28.520 --> 02:26:32.864 a little bit of a tendency to throw away stuff rather than build upon it, I think. 02:26:32.944 --> 02:26:48.938 And so this idea that, you know, that the idea that that something is just dead wrong is not quite right in many instances where what it is is it's just too simple. 02:26:50.443 --> 02:27:00.486 I think a person JJ might want to talk to is is oddly enough, Brett Weinstein, because he's made some utterances about his view of evolution, how they've changed. 02:27:01.426 --> 02:27:06.827 And they've not been clear enough to me to to let me know what he's thinking. 02:27:06.947 --> 02:27:11.689 But it could just be a punctuated equilibrium model that he's talking about or something like that. 02:27:11.789 --> 02:27:12.889 But he hasn't said enough. 02:27:15.169 --> 02:27:15.470 And then 02:27:18.223 --> 02:27:19.303 What else was I thinking? 02:27:19.323 --> 02:27:20.363 I wasn't going to chime in. 02:27:20.403 --> 02:27:24.624 I was just going to sit here and listen. 02:27:24.804 --> 02:27:38.327 The junk DNA model makes total sense to me, because I think when you need to, if you think about how evolution works, what you can't do is mutate an essential protein very easily and not have it be fatal. 02:27:39.087 --> 02:27:47.089 But one of the things you can do is replicate a big chunk of DNA just randomly, and all of a sudden that gives you blank canvas to work on. 02:27:48.041 --> 02:27:59.423 So evolutionarily, if you can improve upon a protein by using, uh, by mutating a duplicate, that's been created as what you might call junk DNA. 02:27:59.463 --> 02:28:01.524 And all of a sudden you get one that works better. 02:28:02.764 --> 02:28:05.524 Now you haven't enforced a fatality. 02:28:05.584 --> 02:28:09.285 What you've done is you you've provided the organism with an even better route. 02:28:09.885 --> 02:28:12.145 Um, I'm listening to the evolution of the eye part. 02:28:12.846 --> 02:28:14.686 I heard some sort of, how could the eye evolve? 02:28:14.706 --> 02:28:14.886 Well, 02:28:16.756 --> 02:28:29.340 It's actually, in my mind, kind of simple in that all you need is a molecule in the cell, in the unicellular organism even, that responds to light. 02:28:29.380 --> 02:28:34.481 And since light is energy, and that's how information gets transferred, that strikes me as a completely rational thing. 02:28:35.496 --> 02:28:44.202 So you can imagine an organism for which there's a selective advantage to being able to detect light for whatever reason. 02:28:45.123 --> 02:28:48.265 Maybe it has some mechanism to float towards it, right? 02:28:50.127 --> 02:28:58.173 If you duplicate that molecule, now all of a sudden you've got really the very beginnings of stereoscopic vision. 02:28:58.253 --> 02:29:03.957 So you've got two molecules that respond to light, but one will get a brighter response 02:29:04.967 --> 02:29:06.809 are more frequent hit than the other one. 02:29:06.849 --> 02:29:11.794 And so it tells the organism where the light's coming from. 02:29:13.395 --> 02:29:17.519 And that becomes the beginning of an eye, basically. 02:29:17.539 --> 02:29:23.025 You've just described the first, the very first beginnings of rods and cones and things like that. 02:29:23.045 --> 02:29:28.910 I think the one super absolute, and I mean this with the utmost respect, 02:29:29.991 --> 02:29:33.474 Your imagination is quite limited. 02:29:34.835 --> 02:29:56.192 And the reason why I would argue it's missing one incredibly important variable, and that is that if that model of evolution is true, then that should have happened thousands of times before one got through to the next generation, because it didn't get stepped on, or rained out, or dried out, or eaten. 02:29:56.872 --> 02:30:02.876 And so this thing of a molecule that can detect light is not the evolution of an eye. 02:30:02.936 --> 02:30:18.587 And I think that that whole argument is just not equivalent to what we're talking about, which is trying to explain all of the circuitry and all of the fine tuning and all of the developmental process that goes into defining binocular vision. 02:30:18.727 --> 02:30:26.252 All of these things can't be the process of an incremental improvement that randomly could become extinct. 02:30:26.932 --> 02:30:32.514 Like, oh, I got the best eye ever in humankind, and then I got hit by a car, or I couldn't find a girlfriend. 02:30:32.974 --> 02:30:41.977 That would have to happen millions of times for each good trait in order to explain this as random mutation and selection. 02:30:42.017 --> 02:30:46.539 And I think it's because you've accepted this three-gear model. 02:30:46.559 --> 02:30:47.359 You're frozen. 02:30:47.419 --> 02:30:49.000 I don't know if it's my computer or yours. 02:30:49.020 --> 02:30:50.501 My whole computer's frozen. 02:30:50.521 --> 02:30:52.621 You sound a lot like Brett Weinstein. 02:30:52.681 --> 02:30:53.242 And it's true. 02:30:54.952 --> 02:30:57.293 you're all still let me find another room. 02:30:58.593 --> 02:31:00.873 Oh, no, he missed. 02:31:01.914 --> 02:31:12.336 No, I heard I heard no, I heard I heard basically a response when I was I was a genetics major, which is now a 45 year old antiquated degree. 02:31:13.036 --> 02:31:17.437 And I haven't used genetics since so it has not evolved very quickly itself. 02:31:18.084 --> 02:31:24.913 I remember one time where I had a guest lecture and the guy said, he said that this idea of how did we evolve to this complex state? 02:31:24.933 --> 02:31:34.526 He said, you think of the, I'll say gazillions, because I don't even begin to put an order of magnitude on it, but unbelievable numbers of generations. 02:31:35.538 --> 02:31:40.221 And he said, every single one of your ancestors was a winner, every last one. 02:31:41.602 --> 02:31:47.006 And so I wonder, for example, like as a chemist, the origin of optical purity. 02:31:47.206 --> 02:31:53.270 So the fact that we have a single enantiomeric series in all of nature, right? 02:31:53.330 --> 02:31:59.655 So you tend not to get the enantiomerically related mirror image proteins and things like that. 02:32:01.210 --> 02:32:10.185 And I've always gone on the basic assumption that it probably was events happening in both mirror images. 02:32:10.205 --> 02:32:14.433 And then at one moment, there was just one that really worked and survived. 02:32:15.533 --> 02:32:16.854 And then it really took off. 02:32:16.974 --> 02:32:28.663 And so I figured that amongst the gazillions of generations, you just needed one that couldn't readily replicate before the other one grabbed the biological niche. 02:32:28.803 --> 02:32:40.993 I think what you're illustrating is that if you start your interpretation of all the sacred biology outside of your window and in the forest around you on this rational, 02:32:41.753 --> 02:32:49.347 on this rationing, on this understanding of how things have come to be, then you will always be trapped in it. 02:32:49.988 --> 02:32:51.290 It's not sufficient. 02:32:52.975 --> 02:32:55.337 No, no, that's why I found it an interesting discussion. 02:32:56.317 --> 02:33:01.641 What I what I'm reluctant to do is throw it away rather than build upon it. 02:33:01.881 --> 02:33:02.101 No. 02:33:02.161 --> 02:33:11.888 And I think that's very important why I say that this no virus notion is really annoying, because that would mean that there's no genetic packet communication, no knowledge at this level. 02:33:11.908 --> 02:33:12.948 That would be absurd. 02:33:13.088 --> 02:33:16.090 That would mean that all these books and all these observations are bullshit. 02:33:16.551 --> 02:33:21.854 And I think we really need to retool and reinterpret the data that we have and maybe throw some data out. 02:33:21.914 --> 02:33:22.655 But definitely. 02:33:23.255 --> 02:33:24.335 I'm, I'm with you on this. 02:33:24.375 --> 02:33:24.635 Right. 02:33:25.536 --> 02:33:25.736 Right. 02:33:25.776 --> 02:33:34.318 And so I happen to work in a field of chemistry that turned out almost every paper we ever published, I showed someone was wrong, but they were trying to get it right. 02:33:35.438 --> 02:33:39.219 And they were not, they were not wrong in the sense that the whole thing had to be reversed. 02:33:39.259 --> 02:33:45.320 They were wrong in the sense that they made assumptions about function that just were not correct. 02:33:46.104 --> 02:33:49.529 And when you look at it, you say, well, I now see how they made the mistake. 02:33:49.809 --> 02:33:57.619 And now it actually looks kind of silly in retrospect, because scientists get in terrible echo chambers, even physical scientists. 02:33:57.659 --> 02:34:01.965 And so I'm totally conceding, which is why I stayed with this whole discussion the whole way. 02:34:05.064 --> 02:34:14.427 If we evolve another million years, I'm sure, let's say we evolve in a direction that somehow represents intellectual improvement. 02:34:14.528 --> 02:34:16.788 I'm not sure that's even remotely possible. 02:34:18.329 --> 02:34:27.072 But if we do, we'll look back and say, back a million years ago, these guys could not have fathomed what we now understand. 02:34:27.092 --> 02:34:27.792 And so I think there's things 02:34:34.295 --> 02:34:35.576 It's a darny shape. 02:34:35.636 --> 02:34:36.697 He's rose again. 02:34:38.218 --> 02:34:44.762 Um, I want to, Oh, possibly understand right now because we don't, I don't know. 02:34:45.423 --> 02:34:50.767 Um, it's, but, but that's sort of my basic thoughts on the whole thing. 02:34:51.227 --> 02:35:02.115 Um, I, I just went through all through the, again, that in this group in particular, I saw people throwing away, 02:35:03.024 --> 02:35:10.548 things that didn't have to be thrown away to have the discussion, right? 02:35:11.049 --> 02:35:19.613 And even cases where, if you want to say, like, I'm totally riveted by this idea that AIDS doesn't come from HIV, right? 02:35:19.654 --> 02:35:24.096 And Peter Duesberg and all the stuff that I think is quite possibly true. 02:35:24.696 --> 02:35:32.641 What I also know, though, is that if you're getting in a discussion with someone who's not up to speed, if you lead off with that kind of a punch, it's over. 02:35:33.365 --> 02:35:33.605 Yeah. 02:35:33.665 --> 02:35:33.906 Right. 02:35:33.926 --> 02:35:43.076 So you kind of have to wade them into the shallow end of the pool and then say, OK, follow me with a little bit of let's just think about this a little bit. 02:35:43.117 --> 02:35:46.961 And so I and that gets back to the don't throw it away, build on. 02:35:47.021 --> 02:35:48.042 And by the time you're done. 02:35:49.506 --> 02:35:55.971 It might look like a renovation in which you say, I can't detect the original house in this renovation, right? 02:35:55.991 --> 02:35:57.292 It could be one of those. 02:35:57.953 --> 02:36:01.376 I have nothing deep to say about it besides just that. 02:36:01.516 --> 02:36:03.657 So I don't have any problems with the things you guys talked about. 02:36:05.066 --> 02:36:09.388 the reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s. 02:36:09.408 --> 02:36:13.809 And I don't think they were, you know, the circumcision. 02:36:14.870 --> 02:36:17.511 I'd never heard the circumcision story, by the way. 02:36:17.531 --> 02:36:19.011 This was completely new to me. 02:36:21.472 --> 02:36:34.237 The idea that you use foreskins to advantage doesn't negate the fact that it might actually be biologically, health-wise, an improvement than not have a foreskin. 02:36:35.218 --> 02:36:41.104 And so you don't have to turn it into a, oh, those bastards, they're clipping kid six off because they want the foreskin. 02:36:41.784 --> 02:36:45.728 It can be that someone said, hey, we could use that. 02:36:45.788 --> 02:36:46.528 So don't chuck it. 02:36:46.609 --> 02:36:46.849 Right. 02:36:47.670 --> 02:36:48.310 That's useful. 02:36:49.912 --> 02:36:52.354 There are hygiene issues that are real. 02:36:53.528 --> 02:37:01.651 Yeah, there are, but if you just want to be real, real clear about it, I mean, foreskin is this, okay? 02:37:02.131 --> 02:37:09.294 So the idea is that if you want it to be clean, you want the foreskin to be able to come over the glans penis. 02:37:09.434 --> 02:37:12.495 And some people's foreskin doesn't come over very easy. 02:37:13.155 --> 02:37:14.376 and may come over. 02:37:14.456 --> 02:37:21.622 And so the idea would be to cut that open a little wider so that you can roll that skin back and clean underneath it. 02:37:21.682 --> 02:37:23.303 That's the whole point of a baby. 02:37:23.323 --> 02:37:25.485 That would be the only argument to make. 02:37:25.525 --> 02:37:29.328 What I'm telling you is, is that these American babies are like this. 02:37:30.299 --> 02:37:30.819 Okay. 02:37:30.919 --> 02:37:35.682 That was, by the way, your, your, your long sleeve shirt, foreskin analog. 02:37:35.742 --> 02:37:36.943 That was brilliant. 02:37:37.103 --> 02:37:38.904 No, that was, that was spectacular. 02:37:39.104 --> 02:37:42.326 I'm in, I'm in the middle of digging into the transgender movement. 02:37:42.346 --> 02:37:44.487 I'm in the middle of Abigail Shrier's book. 02:37:44.987 --> 02:37:45.367 Oh, wow. 02:37:45.487 --> 02:37:46.208 Exactly. 02:37:46.468 --> 02:37:47.749 It's horrifying. 02:37:47.949 --> 02:37:53.632 It is horrifying because it is so socially complex. 02:37:53.952 --> 02:37:54.192 Yeah. 02:37:54.933 --> 02:37:55.133 Yep. 02:37:55.473 --> 02:37:57.194 And I don't mean socially complex. 02:37:58.078 --> 02:37:59.098 It's really crazy. 02:37:59.158 --> 02:38:03.459 This, this illusion that everybody agrees on, it really sucks people into it. 02:38:03.979 --> 02:38:11.481 Oh, and the whole, the whole thing is designed to separate kids from their parents and kids from anyone who will defy them. 02:38:11.521 --> 02:38:20.522 And it really is a, I knew it was, um, I knew it was a cultural contagion, but I didn't understand. 02:38:20.542 --> 02:38:22.803 I didn't understand the momentum. 02:38:23.738 --> 02:38:26.780 and the tools that were being used to do it. 02:38:28.021 --> 02:38:33.245 So science does that too, we all agree. 02:38:33.625 --> 02:38:51.318 Did you know that Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the new Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I'm not quite sure whether it's Yvette Cooper or Angela Rayner, but anyway, the other one is the Home Secretary. 02:38:51.378 --> 02:38:51.979 So we've got three 02:38:53.143 --> 02:39:00.737 very prominent positions in the new British government, and those three, the Daily Mail, 02:39:01.755 --> 02:39:04.077 which is a well-known newspaper in the UK. 02:39:06.640 --> 02:39:24.256 They've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people in prominent positions in the UK, I think it's a conflict of interest when you consider that children are being taught what they are being taught, apparently, in British schools. 02:39:25.417 --> 02:39:27.479 All three of them have transgender children. 02:39:30.194 --> 02:39:34.797 Yeah, it's a badge of honor amongst certain nutcases. 02:39:35.457 --> 02:39:40.219 But the really interesting thing for me is that the Daily Mail has known about this for some time. 02:39:40.980 --> 02:39:53.366 I don't know exactly how long, but I know that it's true because someone very senior at the Daily Mail told me they haven't told the British public this, so the British public are totally unaware. 02:39:53.486 --> 02:39:55.488 I was totally unaware until I was actually told by 02:39:56.528 --> 02:39:57.589 the head of the Daily Mail. 02:39:57.769 --> 02:40:00.730 Not exactly the head, but very near the top of the Daily Mail. 02:40:02.031 --> 02:40:10.015 Well, curiously, Elon Musk got taken down that path a little bit by one of his kids and then realized what was happening. 02:40:11.015 --> 02:40:15.758 And one thing's for sure is Elon is not invisible. 02:40:18.267 --> 02:40:22.571 You can't when he decides he wants to talk about something that you can't hide it. 02:40:22.832 --> 02:40:34.863 And so, yeah, so in any event, so that's a fascinating again, and science, those who are not in science, don't understand the groupthink that kicks in even amongst people who are trying to get it right. 02:40:36.017 --> 02:40:39.059 Even I don't think it has to be conspiracies. 02:40:39.119 --> 02:40:43.943 And I think there are fields of science where the fraud is much more prevalent than others. 02:40:44.683 --> 02:40:51.268 Those happen to be the fields where the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy. 02:40:51.308 --> 02:40:56.611 Like in biochem, you can win a Nobel Prize by faking stuff if you are clever enough to do it. 02:40:56.691 --> 02:40:56.812 But 02:40:59.389 --> 02:41:05.551 But but the climate change guys, that grift is spectacular. 02:41:06.131 --> 02:41:10.312 And and it's it's one hundred and fifty trillion dollars of projected spending. 02:41:10.652 --> 02:41:12.893 Who's going to who's going to open their mouth on that? 02:41:13.033 --> 02:41:13.273 Right. 02:41:13.533 --> 02:41:15.794 Every everyone wants a piece of that pie. 02:41:17.034 --> 02:41:26.157 And guys who've gone down to the southern border, friends of mine who've gone down there said what's clear is everybody's making money down there. 02:41:26.849 --> 02:41:34.294 The whole thing, there's money, every single moving part on that southern border is a for profit machine. 02:41:35.155 --> 02:41:35.435 Wow. 02:41:35.595 --> 02:41:40.999 And so, yeah, so that you dig into this stuff and it can make you very dark. 02:41:41.579 --> 02:41:45.062 My advice would be don't get don't get too dark on DNA. 02:41:47.564 --> 02:41:49.605 It's still an important biomolecule. 02:41:50.025 --> 02:41:51.586 It just it probably is. 02:41:51.666 --> 02:41:52.367 I agree with that. 02:41:52.447 --> 02:41:52.647 Yes. 02:41:53.087 --> 02:41:53.368 Yeah. 02:41:53.508 --> 02:41:53.748 Yeah. 02:41:54.793 --> 02:41:56.894 Can anybody creep and say I have to go? 02:41:56.954 --> 02:41:57.434 I'm sorry. 02:41:57.514 --> 02:41:59.555 I do too, actually. 02:41:59.816 --> 02:42:00.636 I do too, actually. 02:42:00.656 --> 02:42:01.416 Thanks, JJ. 02:42:01.456 --> 02:42:02.037 See you on Twitter. 02:42:02.537 --> 02:42:04.698 Dave, you know each other, do you? 02:42:04.718 --> 02:42:05.618 A little bit. 02:42:05.638 --> 02:42:06.519 I think we're connected. 02:42:08.040 --> 02:42:09.820 We can reach each other when we want to. 02:42:10.041 --> 02:42:10.561 How's that? 02:42:11.421 --> 02:42:17.124 I think he's heard me yell at Herod von den Bosch once about T-cells a long time ago. 02:42:17.164 --> 02:42:18.645 That's how we cross paths first. 02:42:19.429 --> 02:42:19.749 I am. 02:42:20.050 --> 02:42:22.512 So you know he's a professor of chemistry then, Dave? 02:42:22.612 --> 02:42:23.232 I do, yep. 02:42:23.372 --> 02:42:24.273 Yeah, very good. 02:42:25.354 --> 02:42:29.818 My Twitter presence is unhealthy levels of presence. 02:42:30.038 --> 02:42:32.320 That's too much. 02:42:33.240 --> 02:42:39.526 Dave, before you go, I would like to introduce you to the joke on the foreskin. 02:42:42.082 --> 02:43:00.996 Okay, which my mother bought her a magazine which had a nude Reynolds in it and she was disappointed because he'd had his leg up so she couldn't see anything and it was in the center fold and she was saying you've got playboy and look at this, this is rubbish. 02:43:01.756 --> 02:43:06.438 And on the following page was an article about foreskin. 02:43:07.098 --> 02:43:10.559 And the lady said to the doctor, what do you do with the foreskins? 02:43:10.939 --> 02:43:12.960 And he said, we make handbags. 02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:15.981 You give them a quick rub, and you have a suitcase. 02:43:21.343 --> 02:43:22.383 Don't get me started. 02:43:22.464 --> 02:43:24.024 I used to be the joke master. 02:43:24.044 --> 02:43:25.765 I have 10,000 jokes. 02:43:27.465 --> 02:43:29.026 And they're all tasteless. 02:43:30.252 --> 02:43:30.855 I got to go. 02:43:31.056 --> 02:43:31.217 Thanks. 02:43:31.237 --> 02:43:32.163 Until next time. 02:43:33.007 --> 02:43:33.389 Very good.